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The Official Raptors Thread. (pg. 19)
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| Crazy Serb |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
It's not like the Raps can drain 3s constantly. This just a fluke spell. |
Sure they can... they've got enough "qualified" 3-point shooters on the team. Much more than many other teams in the league... |
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| crazedcanuck |
Did Carter tip Sonics?
FRANK HUGHES; The News Tribune
Tacoma, WA
Two days before Toronto Raptors general manager Rob Babtraded Vince Carter to the New Jersey Nets, he was informed that Carter may have tried to sabotage his team in a game a month ago.
Whether that information led to Carter being traded Friday for Alonzo Mourning, two other players and two draft picks is unclear. But after being part of trade talks for more than a month, Carter was dealt less than 48 hours after Babwas interviewed for a story about Carter’s actions Nov. 19.
Three members of the Seattle SuperSonics say they believe Carter intentionally tipped off a play during the final minute of the Raptors’ 101-94 loss to the Sonics in Toronto.
With 29 seconds remaining in that game and the Sonics leading 97-90, the Raptors called a timeout. After returning to the court, Carter lined up along the edge of the key. He was facing the Sonics’ bench with his hands on his knees. According to a member of the Sonics, before the play began, Carter said directly to the Seattle bench, “It’s a flare. It’s a flare.” Two other members of the Sonics confirmed that Carter told the Sonics bench that the Raptors were running the flare play.
The Raptors, inbounding the ball above the Sonics bench, then ran a flare play for Carter.
In the play, which Sonics scouts had observed was a common go-to play for the Raptors, Carter worked his way up the key on the near side as Sonics guard Ray Allen followed. At the elbow on the near side, Raptors forward Matt Bonner set a screen on Allen for Carter, who then flared toward the opposite corner. The pass from Morris Petersen was too long for Carter to handle easily, and, unable to make a clean shot attempt, he passed the ball to Bonner, who hit a 22-foot shot from the top of the key.
According to one member of the Sonics, the bench reacted immediately to what Carter said, with Sonics players saying, “Did you hear that? Did you see that? That’s (expletive) up.”
Another member of the Sonics said he discussed the play with a coach after the game, and the coach said, “If you ever do that, I’ll run you out of the league.”
Allen, who was guarding Carter, said: “I didn’t hear it, but that’s what those other guys were saying (after the game), Reggie (Evans) and those other guys. But all I said was, ‘Why would he do that?’ I don’t know why he would do that.”
When asked to detail the incident, Evans chose not to discuss specifics.
“I don’t want to get involved in that stuff, man,” Evans said. “That stuff is deep. I ain’t scared of Vince or nothing like that, but that is between him and his conscience. I ain’t saying it did happen or it didn’t happen. I’ll leave that for Ray. I’ll let Ray do all that type of talking, man.
“For real. I’ll let Ray open his mouth, he is the one ... who got into it with Kobe (Bryant), so I will just leave that alone. I don’t want to get into no beef with nobody.”
Carter, reached through Raptors spokesman Jim LaBumbard, responded, “I’m not going to comment on something as ridiculous as that.”
Babwas reached on Wednesday evening and said: “I hadn’t heard that. I would hope that would not be the case, but I am not aware of that. If he did do that, I would be quite upset with that. But I don’t know anything about that. It is nothing I heard.
“That’s the type of thing that, if I was aware of it, we would deal with it internally, and we certainly would deal with it. But I am not aware of that.
“If something comes up to me like that, and it is solid, and it is obvious that it did happen, we would take care of it internally.”
Carter was traded to New Jersey two days later.
There are other possible explanations for Carter’s actions.
“I guess you could look at it both ways,” Allen said “Either, he was being cocky and saying, ‘I am still going to score,’ or, ‘I don’t want you guys to let me make this shot.’”
When asked if Carter was merely being cocky, one member of the Sonics said he did not believe so, pointing out that the Raptors were down seven points late in the game and that Carter had scored only 21 points.
Also, when asked if it were possible that Carter could have been trying to decoy the Sonics, the member of the Sonics said, “Sure, but they ended up running the play he told us, so I don’t see how it could have been a decoy.”
Asked why Carter would reveal the play, the Sonics member said, “We were all under the impression that he was sabotaging his team because he was getting booed by the fans and he wanted to get traded.”
The incident occurred one day after the Raptors and the Portland Trail Blazers were widely reported to be holding trade talks involving Carter.
It also came less than a week after Carter and Raptors coach Sam Mitchell got into a spat because Mitchell benched Carter for the entire fourth quarter of a game against Portland after Carter scored just four points in 22 minutes.
“Personally, for me it would be disrespecting myself,” Evans said of Carter’s actions. “Players should have more pride than to do things like that. You’re playing for the love of the game. These days, obviously, they are playing for money ... but you still have love for the game. Just balance it out.
“It’s crazy because that could be somebody else out there, who wants to win, who wants to make a difference for a coach, somebody like a Damien Wilkins or a Mateen Cleaves who would love to be in that situation to get them over that hump.
“Stuff like this just makes the league look bad.” Frank Hughes: |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Crazy Serb
Sure they can... they've got enough "qualified" 3-point shooters on the team. Much more than many other teams in the league... |
I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying Raps aren't consistent with 3 point shooting. |
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| MarkT |
The only logic I really see behind dealing Marshall now is that he's a free agent after this season...if he has no intention of re-signing, or if the Raps don't intend to bring him back...fine, deal him.
well...just settling in with a j and some good eats...let's see what the Williams boys can do tonight against Houston. I'd feel a lot better if Alonzo was up there beside Bosh to help deal with Yao though. Loren has his work cut out for him tonight, lol.
post-game (almost) edit:
well...Yao owned Toronto and demonstrated what happens to a team that doesn't have a legitimate centre (please come play for us Alonzo...please!). highlights...McGrady whirlaround pass in the 4th...Bonner stuffing Yao mid-3rd, LOL. Eric Williams was solid! Good offense...but no defense against Yao...which means overcommitting to him and Tracy goes wild...damn, McGrady was hitting crazy shots all night regardless. |
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| EvilTree |
And the Raps just couldn't put a stop on McGrady/Yao show.
Inconsistent on 3s in first half. Couldn't get stops when needed big time.
Oh well.
I liked how Eric Williams played. Defensively decent and has good post moves. After a few games with the team, I think he'll do well.
Bonner's developing a decent 3 too... |
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| Crazy Serb |
| I managed to catch only the last 2 minutes of the game, but damn... 2-14 on the road?!!! That's gotta hurt. |
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| EvilTree |
Good first half, so so second half. 3rd quarter weakness again. (And failing to stop Boozer)
Alston moved the ball well, but his shooting really lets him down.
Rose played like he had something to prove on first half, but slowed down on second half. (He didn't start)
I like Eric Williams. He's adjusted so well putting up decent stats.
Bosh also had a good game.
Raps just need to tighten up defensively, and they'll win all those close games. Having someone who can just take over the game doesn't hurt either. |
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| Crazy Serb |
| Anyone watching the Phoenix Suns vs Grizzlies game on TSN (I think) right now... phew, this team is sick! |
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| Sly_Guy |
yeah but look how bad they struggle as soon as nash leaves the floor.
Phx is a sick team with nash tho. Amazing what a pure PG can do. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
yeah but look how bad they struggle as soon as nash leaves the floor.
Phx is a sick team with nash tho. Amazing what a pure PG can do. |
EXACTLY:D |
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| MarkT |
haha...
after a BAD play on his part, Rose agressively takes it to a rookie in the post, and draws the foul..Rose and Montgomery start talking...Rose give him a one arm flex...and again after each basket too. Montgomery can be seen muttering the words "...guy thinks he can do whatever he in' wants..." :stongue: OWNED!
Araujo rocks.
entertaining, game so far... |
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| TheNeonAlien |
Arrujo rocks???
are u on crack.......that guy wont last 2 seasons in the nba.
bonner is a million times better on his tiest night.
raptors get my vote for biggest underachievers ever!
i like the highlight of last season when peterson hit the three and won the game...... this season he got SWATTED!
Rose is poison for this team, and any team for that matter!
hate this team em all |
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