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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
He was never a good mixer because he would do alot of quick cuts, scratch mixes, etc. |
That's the definition of good mixing.
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If you live in the USA PM me your address and I'll set you all the cheesy and poor sets I have of him from the late 90's that I recorded off the radio. |
I'd rather have his WBMX hot mixes from 1988 which are the ones I suggested in my original post.
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He copied DJ Markski during the late 90's. Why? Markski was getting huge bookings in Chicago playing Euro-Cheese so Bad Boy Bill decided he would copy his style to get bookings too. Again, I’ll send you the mix tapes if you want proof. Sell Out~ |
Well he was playing also playing "cheesy" tracks on WBMX when the Hot Mix 5 had him do guest mixes in 1988. He's almost always played music that seems cheesy to one person or another. You're confusing cheesy with good. Good is not the boring that sasha/digweed/other plays. House with vocals is not cheesy. The truth is, it doesn't matter what music he plays--the fact is neither you, nor sasha, nor digweed, nor sander k, nor any other trance DJ will ever be as skilled as he is.
| quote: | | This is the main reason why he receives no respect from me. Bad boy Bill sold out. He ed over house music for Chicago. He did nothing to rebuild the scene since 1995. He and the other clowns were the reason Chicago lost its only dance music channel in 2001 and partially responsible for the 'dark age' of EDM in Chicago. |
He still deserves respect from people who know what's up. AKA non-tranceheads. Just ask Frankie Bones.
| quote: | | He can scratch but he isnt a better mixer than Sasha, Digweed, or Sander. Listen and compare their transitions. Bad Blue Bill can’t hold a mix for more than 40 sec. until he needs to scratch or back spin to get out of the ensuing train wreck. Unlike Sasha who can hold a mix for 2-3 min. listen to his Ibiza sets. That is true skill. |
He wouldn't want to hold a mix for more than 40 seconds, he's a real DJ.
| quote: | | BBB style isn’t about long tight mixes. It quick rough cuts. He'll do to make the mixing interesting ( i.e. he'll scratch or throw down samples etc.) |
Which is why he's better.
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Sasha, Digweed, Sander semi- DJ's ?? Blasphemy!!
Do you think before you type? :haha: Its obvious you don't know what the your talking about.
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OH , HTEYY'RE MASTERS OF THE CROSSFADER!!! |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by arturob
Paul doesnt mix mp3's on his fs ;-) and if there is a case of recieving a promo on mp3, he remaster it via pro-tools to-regain sound quality.................
ciao
art |
he was playing mvl remix of cosmic string from an mp3 cd for quite some time ;) |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by arturob
Paul doesnt mix mp3's on his fs ;-) and if there is a case of recieving a promo on mp3, he remaster it via pro-tools to-regain sound quality.................
ciao
art |
how can you "regain" quality in a compressed file without the original track, just make up all the frequencies that mp3 compression cuts out? i doubt it. |
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| Nite-Mer |
You guys both make some interesting points, L and DP.
I agree that Carl Cox is not the most fantastic mixer. He doesn't hold his beats very well, even though he doesn't wreck often, and is constantly correcting. Bad Boy Bill is a good turntablist, but he's not the best mixer.
FS is advantageous when you are playing a spontaneous set and want to have a wide array of tracks at your disposal. I won't get it, but I understand why people like it. It gives you the feel of vinyl, but you can have your whole hard drive full of tracks ready at the touch of a button. It's not a huge advantage, for the most part, but it can cut some time from your bag searching.
The fact that all these guys are lazy because of it is completely unacceptable. If I paid $40 to see Van Dyk and he played a lazy, crap set, I would be pissed. I don't go out and play lazy sets, and I'm usually not getting paid. If these guys are banking from it, maybe they should take it more seriously. That's what I've been trying to tell you, L. That's the reason I don't have the same respect for PVD that I did 3-4 years ago.
Sander K, Hernan Cattaneo, Sasha, Digweed, and Armin are all solid technical mixers. They can all lock their beat matches down and mix fluidly. Oh yeah and Oakie too. J/K :haha: |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ste
how can you "regain" quality in a compressed file without the original track, just make up all the frequencies that mp3 compression cuts out? i doubt it. |
exactly, he doesnt actually do this :haha: as that would be a waste of time, read up. |
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| arturob |
| that's what i read on an interview some months ago (remastering the tracks for better quality.) |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by arturob
that's what i read on an interview some months ago (remastering the tracks for better quality.) |
i think maybe you misread or misunderstood, or the interviewer didnt understand what he meant. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
Piazza > it is astounding what little grasp of the subject you have. Even when i show you what chris liebing says, you still choose not to agree with him. He uses the software every week, he knows more about it than you, and even if you do save 15 seconds, that can make all the difference to a techno dj.
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Fair Enough. I am not a techno DJ so I can't opine.
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
I never said there was a 'beat matching button' dont be such a fool! I said that the dj has to do everything physically himself, but and these are PvD's words (again someone who knows more about it than you) 'FS allows for quicker & more sophisticated mixing'.
The reason for this is the in built traktor software, you will be able to read what the relative difference is in terms of bpm. |
Ok. Good Point.
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
I think its making people lazy because rather than using the ease of cueing that fs brings, they are using it as an excuse to leave cueing the track to the last minute, rather than playing more tracks or mixing faster.
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This statement I don't understand. Unless I have a misunderstanding of FS the cueing procedure is the same for traditional DJ's. This is my understanding of the procedure
You pick a track
Scenario One: In FS you pick it from a folder on your laptop
Scenario Two: You pick a vinyl record form your record box.
You prepare the track to mix
Scenario One: Using the turntable you beatmatch the track in your headphones
Scenario Two: Using the turntable you beatmatch the track in your headphones
You mix the track.
Scenario One: Using the mixer you bring the track you selected
Scenario Two: Using the mixer you bring the track you selected
Again Dave how does FS make the DJ lazy. From my understanding of how FS works it shouldn’t. |
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| Laushinameee |
it makes djs lazy because they are relying on it too much to just pull off NORMAL mixing, rather than using it to their advantage and putting together some really good mixing. FS enables you to do so much, but PvD & Liebing are just using it as a method of carrying around a lot of tracks..
Its far too much hassle just to be using it as a record bag, PvD especially ought to use it more to his advantage... just like at Energy Festival 2003, a perfect example of a FS trance set where the mixing is :eyes:
Liebing is the same, hes starting to mix techno like a trance dj. Which isnt good enough for him. |
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| tu_face |
| is the thread going to get back on topic or are you going to ruin the point of yet another thread? |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
is the thread going to get back on topic or are you going to ruin the point of yet another thread? |
why are you so scared of off topic threads? whats wrong with the way its developed? there is a good discussion going on & im guessing people are learning stuff from it. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
That's the definition of good mixing.
Well he was playing also playing "cheesy" tracks on WBMX when the Hot Mix 5 had him do guest mixes in 1988. He's almost always played music that seems cheesy to one person or another. You're confusing cheesy with good. Good is not the boring that sasha/digweed/other plays. House with vocals is not cheesy. The truth is, it doesn't matter what music he plays--the fact is neither you, nor sasha, nor digweed, nor sander k, nor any other trance DJ will ever be as skilled as he is.
He still deserves respect from people who know what's up. AKA non-tranceheads. Just ask Frankie Bones.
He wouldn't want to hold a mix for more than 40 seconds, he's a real DJ.
OH , HTEYY'RE MASTERS OF THE CROSSFADER!!! |
Sometimes you astound me with the crap that comes out of your mouth.
First of all a forty second mixer isn't necessarily better at all, but that's usually a matter of opinion. I will admit BBB is a good turntablist, but I would rather roll around in dog vomit than listen to one of his sets.
Diva vocal house is cheesy and ultra repetitive! :whip:
Listening to that makes me want to blow my head off.
If you don't like prog, I can understand that. It's a matter of taste. I don't like BBB house, but I understand that some people do and you obviously do. But there's a reason that all the aforementioned dj's you are ripping on are ranked higher than BBB.
Cut mixing is alright when done right, but backspins and quick cuts are usually a sign that the dj can't hold his beat, which IMO means he's . If they are used to enhance the set, they are great, but if it's a cop out, I have no respect for it.
Masters of the crossfader. Asinine. I can't vouch for these guys, but I mix prog and trance and I don't ever use my fader. You don't have nearly the control using the fader as you do with volume controls only. BBB is a master of the crossfader, as are good hip-hop dj's. But if you wanna talk turntablism, you should be mentioning Craze, Swamp or Cubert rather than BBB. |
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