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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Argentina has it's reputation of corruption and injustice...how is that something to admire from a latin american country? And why would we want to learn this? |
a lot has changed in 21 years my friend. The people there were under dictaorship for many many years. This is why they know and value what freedom is now that they have it.
ANd to try and say that their present political system is any worse than ours is ridiculous. Look at how much our current government has just stolen from us. The difference is that people down there seem to give a . |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Oh it does. When i was teaching down there imagine the shock when i spoke of the type of laws that we have up here when they asked. They had no idea. They couldnt imagine that countries like ours that tout themselves as "free" restrict their citizens in so many ways. |
I don't necessarily think that Canada is a 100% free country, in fact I really don't think there are countries that are 100% free, but we are much more free than they are, even if not in a political sense.
Mind you that before 1983-1984 they were militarily ruled...so really their "freedom" is a brand new thing |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
, but we are much more free than they are, even if not in a political sense. |
How?
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Mind you that before 1983-1984 they were militarily ruled...so really their "freedom" is a brand new thing |
Exactly why people there value it way more than we ever will. |
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| Kytracid |
I guess that's why Argentina's economy is in such shambles. :rolleyes: They're quick to revolt at the first sign of any infringement on personal liberties.
What you fail to realize and accept is that for society to function with any degree of efficency some human behaviour has to be curbed. You might classify it as loss of personal freedoms, but when those actions impact the wellbeing of others, it's time for the Government to step in and implement laws to protect its citizens. If people are allowed to do any and everything they please in the name of personal freedoms, anarchy ensues.
BTW:. Argentinan's WOULD revolt if they were told they couldn't smoke in clubs. Not because it's impedes their personal freedom, but because it's ludicrious to impose such a law considering the general conditions that people have to face. Argentina faces bigger problems then the health problems associated with second hand smoking. First lets see if they can ever recover from the mountains of debt that have been accumalating over the last 20 years of strigent IMF structural adjustment programs and maybe, just maybe you can start taking about how the citizens will react to progressive laws which place restrcictions on smoking in public places.
You are aware that the economy in Argentina is on the verge of collaspe right ? I know you've been there, so i'll assume you have an idea about the problems the common man faces. (That means the man living on the farms and rural regions of Argentina, NOT the clubbers you met while you were partying as a TOURIST)
Countries in crisis on such a state wide scale have no business in imposing further restrictions on its citizens. Hence, what you percieve as personal freedoms is just the Argentinian govt's effort at letting the common man go about his day while they tend to BIGGER problems like fixing the country.
How you manage to compare CANADA and Argentina i'll never understand. They aren't even on the same page in terms of conditions that exist on the ground. |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
How?
Exactly why people there value it way more than we ever will. |
How?
Easy...you can GO to Argentina and travel the world (as you say you did)...how many of these people can leave Argentina and go traveling like you can?
That's how!
You say you want to be able to chose your lifetyle...well when you are poor you don't chose your lifestyle, your lifestyle is that you are poor and struggling to get by...because if your country is in huge debt and with negatie GDP jobs are scarse, pay is low, and growth is extremely slow if it even exists...
Canadian passport gets you almost anywhere in the world without a Visa or special permissions...I would like to see how easy it is for you to go somewhere with an Argentinian passport |
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| Jayx1 |
economically they are quite different places for sure.
BUT
When i compare the two i compare the social climate and how people think. There is no doubt the economy here works better but id argue thats more due to luck and past history.
The Argentine culture is a nice mix of european and latin values. When it comes to the relation with community, family and complete strangers they are without a doubt a superior nation. When it comes to economics there is no question we are way further ahead.
I guess id rather have fewer material items in exchange for freedoms and social functionabilty but thats just me.
No doubt they have issues but socially speaking we have way more problems. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
How?
Easy...you can GO to Argentina and travel the world (as you say you did)...how many of these people can leave Argentina and go traveling like you can?
That's how!
You say you want to be able to chose your lifetyle...well when you are poor you don't chose your lifestyle, your lifestyle is that you are poor and struggling to get by...because if your country is in huge debt and with negatie GDP jobs are scarse, pay is low, and growth is extremely slow if it even exists...
Canadian passport gets you almost anywhere in the world without a Visa or special permissions...I would like to see how easy it is for you to go somewhere with an Argentinian passport |
Youd be surprised how restricted you are with a Canadian passport. Oh the time i have wasted at various embassies around the world trying to get my $100 visa so that im allowed to travel in their country. |
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| starsearcher |
| I'd rather have the material needs to go travel and see the world and enjoy my smoke free life, and not worry where my next paycheck is coming from ;) |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Youd be surprised how restricted you are with a Canadian passport. Oh the time i have wasted at various embassies around the world trying to get my $100 visa so that im allowed to travel in their country. |
Surely it's better than traveling with an Argentinian one however... |
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| Jayx1 |
worrying bout the next paycheque is also a canadian past time if im not mistaken.
They arent so destitute and poor as you make them out to be down there. You'd be surprised. I sure was the first time i went. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Surely it's better than traveling with an Argentinian one however... |
depends where u want to go. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
...How you manage to compare CANADA and Argentina i'll never understand. They aren't even on the same page in terms of conditions that exist on the ground. |
My sentiment exactly.
Jayx1...there is nothing lucky about what goes on in Argentina.
It's funny how a foreigner can go to a 3rd world and be so biased. I assure you that if you said this to an Argentinian...he'd correct you on more than a few of your misconceptions.
But this is neither here nor there....the issue at hand is about Canada...and fair pricing practices without gender bias. |
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