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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
My sentiment exactly.
Jayx1...there is nothing lucky about what goes on in Argentina.
It's funny how a foreigner can go to a 3rd world and be so biased. I assure you that if you said this to an Argentinian...he'd correct you on more than a few of your misconceptions.
But this is neither here nor there....the issue at hand is about Canada...and fair pricing practices without gender bias. |
Acutally i have spoken to many argentines about this who have been here and lived here as well. They tend to agree with me. Canada is the place to make money, argentina is the place to live a full life. |
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| starsearcher |
Economic data from Economist Magazine...
Year------------------------- 2000 2001 2002 2003
Labour costs per hour (USD): 4.23 - 4.06 - 1.35 - 1.65
close to 15% of unemployment in 2003
64% of public dept of GDP |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Acutally i have spoken to many argentines about this who have been here and lived here as well. They tend to agree with me. Canada is the place to make money, argentina is the place to live a full life. |
Ask any Latin American Country and they will all say the same thing too. Your not saying anything we don't already know.
They come here, they reap and then take it back home....since our dollar is worth more there...they can live a comfortable life. That's unethical and greedy. And you condone this :conf: |
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| Moral Hazard |
People, let's not compare ourselves to Argentina. Argentina is a nation with a very different cultural and historic background to our own. Subsequently, they will value different things then we do and their laws, even their rights and freedoms will be different from ours as a reflection of those values. Granted, there are many of us who will look at certain conditions that exist in another land and want them for ourselves. There are many amongst us that will see those same conditions and be horrified that such a reality is allowed to continue. The truth is that the majority of people living in a certain reality either like it or a very least accept it otherwise they would not allow it to continue. There is a social contract between government and citizenry, if the government breaks that contract the citizenry will react. This is what we call a revolt or revolution...
Me, I like the values held by Canadian society, however I am a product of Canadian society so it is only logical that I would ascribe to those values. That being said, I can see that there are other values present in the world that may have merit. The only way we can ever improve is to examine those values and adapt them to our society. |
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| Jayx1 |
Although you will never hear me say that Argentina's economy is better than ours here is something that economic statistics rarely tell you.
The wages may be low compared to our standards and the GDP output may be low compared to our standards. Here is the catch. You can live very comfortably in Argentina on 1000 pesos a month. 1000 pesos a month bought me rent, food, utilities, transportation and full laundry service once a week. 1000 pesos is roughly $430 Canadian dollars. $430 canadian dollars doesnt even get you a month's rent in this country.
So the earnings may be lower due to currency exchange (they make about 6-10 pesos an hour at most labouror jobs) the cost of living is far far lower.
To use broad comparisons like that would make us look like paupers compared to the brits or the europeans. Minimum wage here is 3 pounds an hour. Try and live on 3 pounds an hour in england!
Oh yeah, and i was making 15 pesos - 20 pesos an hour teaching english. And they were more than able to afford to pay me these wages. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Ask any Latin American Country and they will all say the same thing too. Your not saying anything we don't already know.
They come here, they reap and then take it back home....since our dollar is worth more there...they can live a comfortable life. That's unethical and greedy. And you condone this :conf: |
no more and no less than the canadians who go to the states and do the same. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
People, let's not compare ourselves to Argentina. Argentina is a nation with a very different cultural and historic background to our own. Subsequently, they will value different things then we do and their laws, even their rights and freedoms will be different from ours as a reflection of those values. Granted, there are many of us who will look at certain conditions that exist in another land and want them for ourselves. There are many amongst us that will see those same conditions and be horrified that such a reality is allowed to continue. The truth is that the majority of people living in a certain reality either like it or a very least accept it otherwise they would not allow it to continue. There is a social contract between government and citizenry, if the government breaks that contract the citizenry will react. This is what we call a revolt or revolution...
Me, I like the values held by Canadian society, however I am a product of Canadian society so it is only logical that I would ascribe to those values. That being said, I can see that there are other values present in the world that may have merit. The only way we can ever improve is to examine those values and adapt them to our society. |
very true. but i happen to disagree with many of the practices of our way of life. This is why ive become a dissenter. And as you said if enough people disagree and revolt then things will be forced to change. Im hoping that will happen sometime in my lifetime. |
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| starsearcher |
Yeah Jay but that's ok for you...if you're fine with mediocracy and just living comfortably then good for you...but how many people have the opportunity to really thrive...how many people have the opportunity they can have here to start up a business, really succeed, go travel and see the world...personally I'm not comfortable with mediocracy...and i'd rather have the opportunities i get here.
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And that's really freedom in my eyes...it's not whether I can smoke in a club or not or some other BS like that...that's just super minor details that in effect have positive outcomes on MY life who doesn't smoke... |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
People, let's not compare ourselves to Argentina. Argentina is a nation with a very different cultural and historic background to our own. Subsequently, they will value different things then we do and their laws, even their rights and freedoms will be different from ours as a reflection of those values. Granted, there are many of us who will look at certain conditions that exist in another land and want them for ourselves. There are many amongst us that will see those same conditions and be horrified that such a reality is allowed to continue. The truth is that the majority of people living in a certain reality either like it or a very least accept it otherwise they would not allow it to continue. There is a social contract between government and citizenry, if the government breaks that contract the citizenry will react. This is what we call a revolt or revolution...
Me, I like the values held by Canadian society, however I am a product of Canadian society so it is only logical that I would ascribe to those values. That being said, I can see that there are other values present in the world that may have merit. The only way we can ever improve is to examine those values and adapt them to our society. |
and your back :stongue:
Welcome to the discussion again :haha: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Yeah Jay but that's ok for you...if you're fine with mediocracy and just living comfortably then good for you...but how many people have the opportunity to really thrive...how many people have the opportunity they can have here to start up a business, really succeed, go travel and see the world...personally I'm not comfortable with mediocracy...and i'd rather have the opportunities i get here. |
How many people there did i meet that had more money than you or i will ever dream of?
If you could only have seen the house i went to where this guy threw a private party.
Gigantic and he even rented a huge inflatable bouncy castle and had a gigantic sound system.
Sounds like an impoverished nation to me!
The whole north end of buenos aires puts rosedale to shame. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
no more and no less than the canadians who go to the states and do the same. |
Ah....but Canada is not a 3rd world country. Canada is a neighbour to USA and therefore we use them as they use us.
Argenina has nothing with us. It just reaps. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
and your back :stongue:
Welcome to the discussion again :haha: |
Sorry, I got side tracked by a lawyer calling me trying to negotiate an injury settlement. Actually, there is a good indicator of how good we have it here.... I was just arguing with someone as to whether or not a broken hip (cominuted and displaced) was worth $70,000 or $115,000. We decided that since his client was not a very likable person it was only worth $82,500..... When you have it so well that arguing over the value of someone's injuries becomes a person's entire profession then you've got a comfortable life. Believe me, no one is getting paid $82,500 for a broken hip in Argentina.... |
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