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| nycionx |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
ahh, ok, so a person that makes fun of you is a fagot.
ahahahahaha. good come back.
you have serious issues. and you don't belong on tranceaddict. |
ur right, i should leave |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Im not talking about political parties here.
Liberal thinking is often the label used to refer to left wing thinking. This has nothing to do with canadian political parties except that it does happen to be a liberal party member that is introducing the bill.
Dont get the two confused.
Liberal thinker = left wing thinking
Liberal party = political party that screw us for money |
It's really kind of odd when one looks at the adjectives of liberal and conservative as we use them today when contrased with the meaning of the two as political ideologies.
Liberal ideology comes from the writing of Locke... Locke argued that the government should not be involved with the lives of the citizenry except to protect the "life, liberty, and the persuit of property". I'm barely getting into it but you can see that liberalism is actually a right wing ideology.
Conservative ideology is based on the writings of Hobbes. Hobbes was principly concerned with order. Hobbes believed that nothing could be done without order and thus the government's role should be to protect peace and order by allowing progressive change but in a controled manner that would not upset the existing balance. You can see this is similar to the centre to left wing of the Canadian Political spectrum.
It's a little funny that the "Conservative Party" is liberal in it's ideology and the "Liberal Party" is conservative.
Even more interesting is how these two ideologies have shaped the US and Canada. The US is based on Locke's writings... Hell, their constitution plagerizes him "life, liberty, and the persuit of" happyness (in place of property). Canada is based on Hobbes' writings, our constitution paraphrases him with the line "peace, order, and good government" which has come to be the accepted one sentance summary of conservative ideology.
But perhaps the best is that we think of liberal as left wing and conservative as right wing based on the simple meaning of the words, however, the exact opposite is true. |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Im not talking about political parties here.
Liberal thinking is often the label used to refer to left wing thinking. This has nothing to do with canadian political parties except that it does happen to be a liberal party member that is introducing the bill.
Dont get the two confused.
Liberal thinker = left wing thinking
Liberal party = political party that screw us for money |
Perhaps you should restrain yourself to using the word liberal only when referring to the liberal party because you're confusing the outta me. :D |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Yes you truly are comical :stongue: along with all your other threads
Dallas didn't deserve that award....you did |
right..all because i have views contrary to yours. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
Perhaps you should restrain yourself to using the word liberal only when referring to the liberal party because you're confusing the outta me. :D |
If he confused you please do not even attempt to make sense of my post. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
It's really kind of odd when one looks at the adjectives of liberal and conservative as we use them today when contrased with the meaning of the two as political ideologies.
Liberal ideology comes from the writing of Locke... Locke argued that the government should not be involved with the lives of the citizenry except to protect the "life, liberty, and the persuit of property". I'm barely getting into it but you can see that liberalism is actually a right wing ideology.
Conservative ideology is based on the writings of Hobbes. Hobbes was principly concerned with order. Hobbes believed that nothing could be done without order and thus the government's role should be to protect peace and order by allowing progressive change but in a controled manner that would not upset the existing balance. You can see this is similar to the centre to left wing of the Canadian Political spectrum.
It's a little funny that the "Conservative Party" is liberal in it's ideology and the "Liberal Party" is conservative.
Even more interesting is how these two ideologies have shaped the US and Canada. The US is based on Locke's writings... Hell, their constitution plagerizes him "life, liberty, and the persuit of" happyness (in place of property). Canada is based on Hobbes' writings, our constitution paraphrases him with the line "peace, order, and good government" which has come to be the accepted one sentance summary of conservative ideology.
But perhaps the best is that we think of liberal as left wing and conservative as right wing based on the simple meaning of the words, however, the exact opposite is true. |
This is EXACTLY why I have always said that if the Liberal party were truely a liberal party i would have no problem voting for them. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
Perhaps you should restrain yourself to using the word liberal only when referring to the liberal party because you're confusing the outta me. :D |
no because the word has to be considered in it's context. Just like any other word in english that is interchanged with actual meaning. |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
If he confused you please do not even attempt to make sense of my post. |
Actually all your posts make a lot of sense. I'm glad to see a fresh perspective on these boards. Jay's constant liberal party bashing is the result for my comment above as I did not know he meant liberal thinking and not the political party. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
Actually all your posts make a lot of sense. I'm glad to see a fresh perspective on these boards. Jay's constant liberal party bashing is the result for my comment above as I did not know he meant liberal thinking and not the political party. |
Cool, thanks. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
This is EXACTLY why I have always said that if the Liberal party were truely a liberal party i would have no problem voting for them. |
Personally, I would like to see a good facist party in Canada. NOW before everyone jumps on me please understand that facist does not necessarily equate to racist or anti-semetic. What existed in Germany under Hitler was Nazism not fascism. The best examples of fascism are the present day EU or Argentina. Fascism is a lot like communism in that it places the good of the whole above that of the one except that it works because people are allowed to aquire and hold personal property thus they continue to have incentive to acheive. I could get into it more but this probably is not the place for this type of discussion, besides, since no one except those who have actually studied fascism understand it I will likely be despised for even suggesting it..... forget I wrote any of this. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
You're fun to argue with.... thank you.
I respect that you have strong views on the subject and that you have a right to them. In fact, my heart is warmed to see someone holding on to a vision of an idealistic state that, though it cannot exist, would be in some way utopic. I was once very idealistic as well but that has given way to realizm. I do still work toward the ideals I have long held, however, I've learned to narrow my scope to what is possible. Small changes over time, that is the key... maybe my great grandchildren will see the world I envision.
I think the key difference you and I have is that while you believe equality is the key to ensuring that everyone has a good quality of life, I think the exact opposite. It seems to me that the natural state of inequality amongst humans that exists is THE MOST IMPORTANT strength we possess. See, we evolved to be different, to specialize in certain areas so that as a group we would be better then any one of us could be as a one. This is why we live in tribes/communities/cities/civilizations/societies. Only recently have we begun to attach a negative connotation to inequality. This connotation is almost entirely attributable to the guilt we (those who have benefited most by the natural state of inequality) feel due to our better lot in life. This began at the end of the 19th century with "the white man's burdon" when the courtiers of Victorian Britan started to go on missions around the world to educate and equalize the local (ie. non-europian) populations. This resulted in a destruction of many very unique and valuable civilizations (including the North American Indians). The destruction of these cultures has resulted in a loss of knowledge that can never be replaced. The entire world has been weakened by this. Now we've gone so far as to start cursading for the rights of women to get a hair cut for $11 dollars or men to pay $50 just so there is no difference between those who have penises and those who have vaginas.
Why don't we recognize our differences and embrase them thereby making the whole stronger. Tell you what, my buddy Rich is a great welder, let's let him assemble the steal gurters, my father in-law is really good with masonry and wood work... we'll let him due the carpentry, if you know an electrition... we'll need his help running some wires, and if we can find a few more people to chip in with their skills we can build something solid here. Want to know why the European Union has an economy that is outpacing the rest of the world.... Corporatism.... They have realized that certain areas within their union do certain things better then others. Holland makes the cheeze, Germany and northern Italy make the cars, Spain grows the tomatos, Portugal catches the fish, Britain runs the banks, etc. It works far better then artificially trying to make everyone the same (which if you examine soviet history is the principle reason for the fall of their eastern bloc associate states). |
Wow...it's as if you didn't read a word I wrote.
I said it at the beginning....this is not about equality it is about greed.....business greed.
Inequality exists....so what.
And....if people strive to have some guideline to hold others in check....then so what????
re: "you believe equality is the key to ensuring that everyone has a good quality of life"
Where did you pull this out of? There has never been equality in any country. Classes were setup to make that impossible.
This is about greed....this is about money....this thread was made because a TA is trying to make it about man vs. woman...read Jayx1's comments...they speak loud and clear. TA's misconstrue it and continue the gender bashing
How is saying "beotch"...an acceptable contribution to an argument"
Since this is a public forum we should also be empathetic to each other....that's why IMO the macho tone has to be taken out of this discussion so that it can be intuitive and valuable. It's a stupid and negative circle and people need to stop going on it.
BTW....what's wrong.....don't you know it's all about assimilation now....resistance is futile.....you are part of the collective....live with it :stongue: :crazy: :tongue3 |
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| Jayx1 |
Moral Hazard: Also these places allow PERSONAL FREEDOMS which is becoming more and more scarce in modern north america.
Try telling an argentine that he cant smoke in a club. They will literally shut down the country. |
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