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I hope Terri Schiavo's husband (pg. 3)
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| house_conXion |
| I know that if that were me or if I was put in a situation similar to that I'd probably save myself and loved ones the hassle and pain and sign a DNR I value my life and god has blessed me with being a normal, healthy active person. If I need to depend on a machine to keep me alive a la feeding tube, breathing tube than really that is not living and the worst part is for her she's BRAIN DEAD, her mind has died along time ago. I say let her die, at least it'll end her misery and maybe her family could move on from this ordeal. |
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| charmscars |
| it's a tricky situation... I hope that the husband truly has his wife's best interests at heart and knows her best and knows that she would not want to go on this way.. I know that I would not want to be kept alive..i would also want my partner to move on and find a new partner and have children if that's what he wanted it do. you can't expect a person to not to find new love when a spouse becomes emotionally and mentally dead to the world. |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
This story does not belong in the media seeing how they are so 'unbiased'.
This is a tough situation the family is going through and should be kept private. Now, half the world has demonized her husband as if he's the antichrist just because he doesnt want to see his wife suffer any longer. Whos to say this lady wishes to live like this esp for 15 years. If her husband says these are her wishes then leave it at that. Why does everyone have to come up with these conspiricies or hidden agendas. This man deserves a medal for the 15 years he stayed at her bedside. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
I agree w the rest of the people here. Let the poor woman die. |
...and here in lies the paradox.
We 'feel' for the women yet throughout this whole case, it's the hard, oold law and not 'feelings' that have paved the road to where it lies now.
If she's been dead for 15 years then how can a 'dead' person have rights?
Technically, (and in very short, Reader's Digest form) those rights now belong to the husband and he has authority according to the courts to pull the plug.
Personally, this sleezebag mentally jumped ship (oh the irony) right after his windfall from suing the hospital when they misdiagnosed his wife not a couple years after she became vegitative. He was able to woo his new girlfriend with his new found bling but wait! What to do with this vegi-chain cramping his lifestyle?? Oh gosh! Heaven forbid that he live a life of servitude caring for the woman he vowed to call his wife. Hell, he didn't even have to do that; she was submitted to a hospital for care. All this while boinking a women AND having kids while still technically married.
Any person who's had special needs kids living at home have my total respect for their years of dedication.
THIS guy just rubs me the wrong way and while he may have jurisdiction and the ruling of the courts, he'll only get disdain from me. :mad: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
...and here in lies the paradox.
We 'feel' for the women yet throughout this whole case, it's the hard, oold law and not 'feelings' that have paved the road to where it lies now.
If she's been dead for 15 years then how can a 'dead' person have rights?
Technically, (and in very short, Reader's Digest form) those rights now belong to the husband and he has authority according to the courts to pull the plug.
Personally, this sleezebag mentally jumped ship (oh the irony) right after his windfall from suing the hospital when they misdiagnosed his wife not a couple years after she became vegitative. He was able to woo his new girlfriend with his new found bling but wait! What to do with this vegi-chain cramping his lifestyle?? Oh gosh! Heaven forbid that he live a life of servitude caring for the woman he vowed to call his wife. Hell, he didn't even have to do that; she was submitted to a hospital for care. All this while boinking a women AND having kids while still technically married.
Any person who's had special needs kids living at home have my total respect for their years of dedication.
THIS guy just rubs me the wrong way and while he may have jurisdiction and the ruling of the courts, he'll only get disdain from me. :mad: |
couldnt have said it better myself |
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| Kytracid |
It’s easy to be righteous and demonize the man when you don’t have to walk a day in his shoes. He’s still legally married to her for a reason. He believes that she wouldn’t want to live this way. Now maybe he’s wrong (we’ll never know since she didn’t make a living will), but by getting a divorce he would in effect hand over control of her life to the state of Florida which by law has to keep her alive.
Now I understand we are treading in murky waters here, and there’s no ‘right’ answer in what should happen to Terri, but to say that her husband shouldn’t be allowed to move on with his life is ridiculous. Yes, he’s married to her. But she’s brain dead people! How dare we hold him to hypocritical double standards and go so far as to suggest that he should spend the rest of his life alone, tending to her, when his marital status has changed so radically after his wife suffered a stroke. Half the marriages in the states involving healthy, able-bodied people end in divorce on flippant excuses like 'irreconcilable differences', and you want THIS man to stick to those antiquated marriage vows. It’s completely absurd!
Also, let's take a moment and talk briefly about all this ‘bling’ he’s supposed to have received from all these lawsuits. Well, $750,000 of that was for Terri, with another $300,000 for himself. People have been awarded more then that in the US for spilling hot coffee over themselves, so is $300,000 really that much for misdiagnosis that led to the deterioration in her condition? I personally think he should have got a lot more! He was also offered $1,000,000 (some reports say it might even have been up to $10,000,000) to walk away from Terri and hand over control to Terri’s parents. He refused to do so (even though technically the power to do so resides with the courts only).
Maybe her husband is doing this for the money, maybe…We can speculate all we want and paint the man as a cruel husband who tortured his wife and now continues to profit from her conditon. But to me, it seems like the type of spin the media love to put on any tragic story. To provide that classic villain which any good saga needs in order to sell newspapers. The truth is that Micheal Schiavo did care for his wife even after she became legally brain dead. The Second District's first decision in the case used these words to describe Michael's care for Terri:
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Theresa has been blessed with loving parents and a loving husband. Many patients in this condition would have been abandoned by friends and family within the first year. Michael has continued to care for her and to visit her all these years. He has never divorced her. He has become a professional respiratory therapist and works in a nearby hospital. As a guardian, he has always attempted to provide optimum treatment for his wife. He has been a diligent watch guard of Theresa's care, never hesitating to annoy the nursing staff in order to assure that she receives the proper treatment.
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Look, I can’t imagine how difficult it must be for Terri’s parents to watch their child suffer like this. I’m sure they are holding out hope that the marvel of modern medicine will deliver their daughter from the 15 year nightmare she has had to endure. I don’t blame them for not accepting what the medical opinion of experts in that Terri has almost no chance of ever leading the type of life that you and I consider normal. While it’s impossible to know what will happen in 5 years in terms of therepy, it should be remembered that the Schindlers (Terri’s parents) had two experts who proposed a potential therapy method, but the trial court rejected both of them based on "the total absence of supporting case studies or medical literature".
I don’t want to suggest that the Schindlers are fighting in vain, because I believe if you love someone, you shouldn’t be deprived of the right to fight till the very end to save them. The pessimist in me though doesn’t believe this is a fight they will win. And perhaps through this whole ordeal, parental love has blinded them to the condition their daughter is in, muting the answer to the question they should ask themselves – would Terri really want to continue fighting a 15 year, losing battle ? I think like most people, I can only answer that question if I put myself in her place and considered what choice I would make. The soft whisper of my inner voice says – No…I wouldn’t.
It’s time to stop looking for a monster in the face of tradegy and think about the real victim; who has always been - Terri Schiavo. Taking the moral highground and keeping that poor woman alive might help you sleep better at night, but till you are asleep for 15 years you can’t possibly imagine her plight.
PS. Shadowolf suggests that Terri might be conscious because she seems to make eye contact and react to situations. It should be understood that various medical teams have conducted experiments to test the validity of those claims. While it’s impossible to tell for sure, most of them agree that those movements are involuntary reflexes.
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The court opinions indicate that similar videos were viewed in their entirety by the trial court, which found that Terri's actions were no more than reflexive and could not be reproduced with any consistency. The Second District affirmed that decision.
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Death is but a transition; and one that takes immense courage to accept . I can't imagine the level of strength needed to look into the eyes of a person you love and to realize that it is time to free them of their mortal coil... |
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| j_spot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
If it were clear that she wanted it this way then id say let her die. However we don't know what she would want and she is obviously able to live on her own as long as she is fed. This is NOT the same as taking someone off life support. Imagine if someone tied you down and decided to let you starve to death. This is no different. |
sure, try to feed her by natural methods. She would choke and die. The tube is an artificial medical procedure under all definitions. She has told husband and friends that she would not want to be in this state of limbo. Courts have consitenly agreed with this. you can even argue it anymore. Its not just one or two courts, he keeps winning, even after the case was moved from state to federal court.
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IF and only IF it was clear that she wanted this i'd support euthenasia in a dignified manner a la dr kevorkian but letting her die like this is inexcusable. |
Anywhere in the USA(except Oregon) death by anything by natural means is illegal. Physician assited suicide is illegal, but rarely prosecuted. She couldnt do this anyways. Euthanasia is illegal EVERYWHERE in the US, and is why Dr Death is in jail now. She would need to be in the netherlands for euthanasia to be legal.
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I have to question the husbands motives especially when he is still married to her for, in his own words "legal reasons" yet has 2 kids with another woman. |
If he divorces her, is she supposed to sue her own parents for violating her personal wishes? How is she to do this? Him staying as her husband and legal gaurdian isnt only the best thing to do in this situation, its the only thing he CAN do to prevent her rights from being trampled on.
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This is completely wrong no matter how you look at it.
All i can say is after seeing this i'll be making a living will. |
Its not wrong, its completly by the book. You may object to it morally, but there is nothing that I or my bioethics class can find wrong with it. check out the precedant and near mirror image case of Nancy Cruzan (only the family didnt object, just the state) LINK HERE google Nancy Cruzan for more info on her case.
And congrats on making the will. Everybody should have one, and keep it updated.(mine is horibly out of date) |
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| raveed |
what annoys me more are those dumb protestors who have taken this as an opportunity to put some exitement into their dreary lives and stay all day the hospital doing god knows what ... its irritating how these ppl make it so easy for the media to toy with them ... people are dying everyday on the streets when they didnt need to but no one cares about anything until it is shown on tv ... the woman is 80% brain dead for the past 15 years and her husband has stood by her side all the time and IMO he is right to request that her tube be removed because if she wasnt cured for 15 years theres prolly not a chance she will be anytime soon ...
give him credit for his loyalty ... now hes doing what he feels is right ... men need to get laid and they can only go so long without doing so |
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| Kytracid |
People love to solider a cause. Maybe it’s the belief, that doing so somehow grants purpose to their otherwise insipid, insignificant lives. I wonder where all these pro-life action groups are when children dying of AIDS cry out in the night for medicine and care...Deaf to the sound of the millions of voices in need, they remain immersed in their television sets and newspapers, moral soldiers waiting for their que to suddenly become 'brave' and stand a post in an effort to a 'save' a woman who's been dead for 15 years.
Rallying for what seems a hopeless cause, just to sustain the misery of one who can't even muster the power of speech to call off her army of 'saviors'. Like silent cries, echoed from pregnant wombs by the unborn seed. Drowned in the clamour of rightoues people who forget that life is more then conception and mere existence.
It's easy for these soldiers to pat themselves on the back at the end of a shift, saunter back home and go to sleep. Happy and secure in the knowledge they have done the 'right' thing. But, while they sleep their 'cause', remains bound in eternal darkness, left to face an unimaginable burden of sorrow - alone.
The power of the modern media machine - its ability to spin a yarn that captivates and whips into an irrational frenzy the uninspired mass audience it caters to - continues to both baffle, and amaze me.
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| Tordan |
| After seeing pictures of her and how she lived life before this vegetative state I'm convinced that this was the right thing to do. There is no way someone who was so full of life would want to be hooked up to a machine for this long. Should have been done sooner but her parents legal actions have prolonged it. I hope she passes on soon for her sake and for the sake of everyone involved. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
After seeing pictures of her and how she lived life before this vegetative state I'm convinced that this was the right thing to do. There is no way someone who was so full of life would want to be hooked up to a machine for this long. Should have been done sooner but her parents legal actions have prolonged it. I hope she passes on soon for her sake and for the sake of everyone involved. |
Amen.
See, for me it's not the argument that Terri should die in peace, yada, yada.
There's no question after 15 years of being kept alive by tubes and wires that I'd want to leave my corporeal shell as well to a better place.
It's all about the husband's actions that I question; I think that's what's got everyone else rialed up as well.
Not so much the arguement of selfishness (which is really questionable s ince he did put his wife up in a hostipal and all), but that he had the gumption to go out and have 2 kids while his wife was still "alive".
That action alone speaks volumes to me.
meh....maybe it's just me? :conf: |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
rots in hell for what he is doing to this poor woman.
That is all I can say at this point. This whole thing makes me so angry that im speechless. |
What is your position on this issue? I'm curious.
Surely you don't think that God's natural way is keeping her "alive" for another 50 years. |
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