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I hope Terri Schiavo's husband (pg. 4)
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
rots in hell for what he is doing to this poor woman.
That is all I can say at this point. This whole thing makes me so angry that im speechless. |
Jayx1 I don't know why your the way you are, and frankly I don't understand it, but IMHO you don't have the right to judge this man unless you've gone through the same as he has.
Firstly, you've never been in any real or meaningful relationship...you haven't even been married and don't know the first thing about such a sacred union.
Secondly, you see things as black and white...never noticing the other colours around you. Life is not that way, and until you reach that level of maturity...you opinion on Terri Schiavo's right to life can never be heard as a valuable contribution.
Thirdly, no form of euthenasia will ever be seen as dignified...and especially not in the eyes of jaded extremists.
When you marry someone, it's because you love them and you vow to love and respect them even if it means you have to let them go away from your side.
By keeping her alive, he's not respecting her, he's being selfish holding on...knowing that things will never change.
My spouse knows that if such a thing were to happen to me, I would want my spouse to let me go, and to move on and find happiness again. I would want to be remembered by the way I was when we first met (and all the happy moment we shared in our normal active life), and not by the way my life had to end. The husband has already proven his loyalty to his wife by his actions over the past 15 yrs, by letting her go he is restoring some dignity to her (and her memory).
Jayx1, I think your comments on this matter is very disrespectful to her and to her husband. You don't even know what struggles he's had to endure to come to this decision...and you will never understand the pain that he's going to go through, once she's gone :( |
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| charmscars |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Amen.
See, for me it's not the argument that Terri should die in peace, yada, yada.
There's no question after 15 years of being kept alive by tubes and wires that I'd want to leave my corporeal shell as well to a better place.
It's all about the husband's actions that I question; I think that's what's got everyone else rialed up as well.
Not so much the arguement of selfishness (which is really questionable s ince he did put his wife up in a hostipal and all), but that he had the gumption to go out and have 2 kids while his wife was still "alive".
That action alone speaks volumes to me.
meh....maybe it's just me? :conf: |
I totally see your point.. but I don't think anyone can expect a person to basically lose their partner and just wait by their beside for years before starting a new life. He deserves to have love and a family and once terri became brain dead that could not happen w/ her.
If something ever happened to me, it would pain me tremendously to know that my partner just waited at my bedside for years wasting their life if I was in a vegetative state. |
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| jdjd |
| Do they still have sex?? |
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| amb_ |
Girlfriend in a coma, I know
I know - it's serious
Girlfriend in a coma, I know
I know - it's really serious |
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| ShadoWolf |
I guess you people want to kill the Pope too? Just another "useless eater." :rolleyes:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europ...nday/index.html
Pope being fed through a tube
VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- Pope John Paul II is being fed through a nasal tube in an effort to boost his calorie intake, the Vatican says.
"To improve his calorific intake and promote an efficient recovery of his strength, nutrition via the positioning of a nasal-gastric tube has begun," Joaquin Navarro-Valls said in a statement released Wednesday.
The pope underwent a tracheotomy on February 24 and still has a tube inserted in his windpipe to help his breathing.
Earlier Wednesday the pope appeared at his studio window and blessed the thousands of faithful in St. Peter's Square.
He appeared alert during the four-minute appearance, which drew cheers from the crowd gathered beneath his window.
He raised his hand in blessing and made the sign of the cross as a Vatican official read greetings and prayers.
A microphone was raised to his face as he tried to speak, but the words were not clear.
The pope has spent a total of 28 days in two stints at Rome's Gemelli hospital in the past two months.
Nicola Cerbino, a spokesman at the hospital, said Wednesday there was no plan to hospitalize the pope.
On Monday the pope skipped the post-Easter Angelus prayer for the first time in his 26-year papacy.
The 84-year-old pope suffers from a number of chronic illnesses, including crippling hip and knee ailments and Parkinson's disease, a progressive neurological disorder that can make breathing difficult.
Throughout his various illnesses and brushes with death, even following the assassination attempt against him in 1981, the pope always said his life was in God's hands. |
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| kwongandy |
panic on the streets of florida
panic on the streets of pinellas park
i wonder to myself
could life ever be sane again?
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burn down the disco
hang the blessed jayx1
because the music that they constantly play
it says nothing to me about my life
hang the blessed jayx1
because the music they constantly play
hang jayx1 hang jayx1 hang jayx1
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| charmscars |
| awesome point by bringing in the Pope! Serriously, it's practically the same thing. Obviously TOTA completely disagrees w/ modern medicine, regardless of if the person is in a vegatative state or not, please pull the tubes out of premature babies as well! |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by charmscars
awesome point by bringing in the Pope! Serriously, it's practically the same thing. Obviously TOTA completely disagrees w/ modern medicine, regardless of if the person is in a vegatative state or not, please pull the tubes out of premature babies as well! |
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6621588/
Netherlands grapples with euthanasia of babies
Hospital carries out procedure on few terminally ill infants
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:53 p.m. ET Nov. 30, 2004
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A hospital in the Netherlands — the first nation to permit euthanasia — recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures, which include administering a lethal dose of sedatives.
The announcement by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives — a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates.
In August, the main Dutch doctors’ association KNMG urged the Health Ministry to create an independent board to review euthanasia cases for terminally ill people “with no free will,” including children, the severely mentally retarded and people left in an irreversible coma after an accident.
The Health Ministry is preparing its response, which could come as soon as December, a spokesman said.
First nation to legalize euthanasia
Three years ago, the Dutch parliament made it legal for doctors to inject a sedative and a lethal dose of muscle relaxant at the request of adult patients suffering great pain with no hope of relief.
The Groningen Protocol, as the hospital’s guidelines have come to be known, would create a legal framework for permitting doctors to actively end the life of newborns deemed to be in similar pain from incurable disease or extreme deformities.
The guideline says euthanasia is acceptable when the child’s medical team and independent doctors agree the pain cannot be eased and there is no prospect for improvement, and when parents think it’s best.
Examples include extremely premature births, where children suffer brain damage from bleeding and convulsions; and diseases where a child could only survive on life support for the rest of its life, such as severe cases of spina bifida and epidermosis bullosa, a rare blistering illness.
The hospital revealed last month it carried out four such mercy killings in 2003, and reported all cases to government prosecutors. There have been no legal proceedings against the hospital or the doctors.
Catholic organizations outraged
Roman Catholic organizations and the Vatican have reacted with outrage to the announcement, and U.S. euthanasia opponents contend the proposal shows the Dutch have lost their moral compass.
“The slippery slope in the Netherlands has descended already into a vertical cliff,” said Wesley J. Smith, a prominent California-based critic, in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
Child euthanasia remains illegal everywhere. Experts say doctors outside Holland do not report cases for fear of prosecution.
“As things are, people are doing this secretly and that’s wrong,” said Eduard Verhagen, head of Groningen’s children’s clinic. “In the Netherlands we want to expose everything, to let everything be subjected to vetting.”
According to the Justice Ministry, four cases of child euthanasia were reported to prosecutors in 2003. Two were reported in 2002, seven in 2001 and five in 2000. All the cases in 2003 were reported by Groningen, but some of the cases in other years were from other hospitals.
10 cases per year
Groningen estimated the protocol would be applicable in about 10 cases per year in the Netherlands, a country of 16 million people.
Since the introduction of the Dutch law, Belgium has also legalized euthanasia, while in France, legislation to allow doctor-assisted suicide is currently under debate. In the United States, the state of Oregon is alone in allowing physician-assisted suicide, but this is under constant legal challenge.
However, experts acknowledge that doctors euthanize routinely in the United States and elsewhere, but that the practice is hidden.
“Measures that might marginally extend a child’s life by minutes or hours or days or weeks are stopped. This happens routinely, namely, every day,” said Lance Stell, professor of medical ethics at Davidson College in Davidson, N.C., and staff ethicist at Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte, N.C. “Everybody knows that it happens, but there’s a lot of hypocrisy. Instead, people talk about things they’re not going to do.”
More than half of all deaths occur under medical supervision, so it’s really about management and method of death, Stell said.
© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
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| j_spot |
| the reason its different is that terri had directed people not to have her kept alive by mechanical means. The popes cases is completly different. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by j_spot
the reason its different is that terri had directed people not to have her kept alive by mechanical means. |
Prove it.
In fact, there's only hearsay evidence available - the husband's testimony. In addition, the husband stands to profit from her death and has a conflict of interetst. In a criminal trial for a murderer, that testimony would not have been allowed. In a death penalty case, all inferences would be in the defendant's favour, which makes sense - better to err on the side of life in case you're wrong.
The fact is, Terri is being treated far worse than a serial killer. |
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| RobbyG. |
| Best way to avoid like this is to have a "living" will & to tell people in your family...As for this poor woman..Her brain is half spinal fluid now...a total vegetable....really sad that these bible thumpers crawl out of their little rocks & start freakin out at the family members of this woman....Makes me wonder if they signed THEIR organ donor cards:confused: |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Just for the record I'm a lil bit on the fence on that one...I can understand both sides' point of view...but it's too complicated for me personally to rule on this. Either way I am sympathetic with the family but I completely understand the husband as well... |
Im exactly the same... can see both sides, but i dunno exactly where i stand or which side i feel should prevail in this matter |
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