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I hope Terri Schiavo's husband (pg. 8)
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| j_spot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
shes not being kept alive by artificial means. If she were then she would have died within minutes of being "disconnected". |
you may believe that, but the US courts and medical professinals do not agree
| quote: | | "The artificial provision of nutrition and hydration is a form of medical treatment . . . analogous to other forms of life-sustaining treatment, such as the use of the respirator. |
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| St_Andrew |
If she wants to die (which she wants), let her die.
Im suprised you didnt think so too Jay, since you are usually pretty liberal?! |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
If she wants to die (which she wants), let her die.
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That's part of the problem. By law, we can't ever be sure what she wante d to happen in such a situation since she didn't make a living will. We only have the word of her husband and people who claim that she didn't want to live this way. This is the matter that was brought before the courts...that's why there is such an issue over what happens to her, and who is ultimately going to decide on her fate.
The courts have given that power to her husband (who claims that Terri didn't want to live in a vegeative state) -- not her parents who would rather see their daughter live in the hope that one day she might be cured. |
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| StereoPrincess |
and that's the problem?
what are these parents on?
she cannot be cured! unless they all of a sudden develop brain transplants or develop artifical whole brains. she will not be cured. even god can't make this miracle happen.
THE GIRL DOESN'T HAVE A BRAIN!! SHE HAS A BRAIN STEM THAT KEEPS HER BREATHING. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
That's part of the problem. By law, we can't ever be sure what she wante d to happen in such a situation since she didn't make a living will. We only have the word of her husband and people who claim that she didn't want to live this way. This is the matter that was brought before the courts...that's why there is such an issue over what happens to her, and who is ultimately going to decide on her fate.
The courts have given that power to her husband (who claims that Terri didn't want to live in a vegeative state) -- not her parents who would rather see their daughter live in the hope that one day she might be cured. |
First of all, its highly unlikely that her husband would lie about it, although the possibiltity is there he might want to go on with his life etc. But when there are more than one person saying that she said so, that has nothing to gain of her dieing, then i dont really see why they would do that? I mean, no matter what state she is in, it must be tough to leave her and you would never say something against her will if they even cared a litle bit!
also i think she said once when they were alive that she would never like to be braindead like that! |
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| MarkT |
I really think a LOT of people are missing the point.
This shouldn't be about whether or not to keep her alive...she's in a permanently vegetative state. It's about death with dignity.
Starving her to death seems...stupid. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
I really think a LOT of people are missing the point.
This shouldn't be about whether or not to keep her alive...she's in a permanently vegetative state. It's about death with dignity.
Starving her to death seems...stupid. |
Well, im all for giving her an injection too if she want to :D |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
and that's the problem?
what are these parents on?
she cannot be cured! unless they all of a sudden develop brain transplants or develop artifical whole brains. she will not be cured. even god can't make this miracle happen.
THE GIRL DOESN'T HAVE A BRAIN!! SHE HAS A BRAIN STEM THAT KEEPS HER BREATHING. |
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| Kytracid |
Right wing, bible thumping morons using the plight of this poor woman to make a statement on the sanctity of life -- that's what. These people disgust me with their tactics. Don't talk about her eating disorder, instead vilfy her husband because surely he's the one to blame for her condition and the fact that he wants her to finally get some peace must mean he's getting something out of it. The man's married ! Oh my god, what a sinner - paint the scarlet S on his back and burn him at the stake for wanting to have a normal life after enduring the horrendous experience of watching a spouse literally degenerate into nothing right before his eyes.
The parents are misguided by their love -- I can understand that. It can't be easy to stand by and watch your daughter die. The realization that she is already dead is difficult when you see the sparkle in her eye and mistake it for a sign of life. I don't blame them for holding onto hope because right now, that's all they have...
It's the media and agenda based groups which piss me off. They draw attention away from the issue and instead concentrate on the one man who probably never wanted to have the burden of deciding what happens to her placed on him. Like i said in a previous post, some poeple need to have a villan in the story so they can feel rightoues in their own mind. Blame him for everything, including trying to murder his wife but don't stop to think for a second if perhaps death isn't the best solution... |
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| jrmacca |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
I really think a LOT of people are missing the point.
This shouldn't be about whether or not to keep her alive...she's in a permanently vegetative state. It's about death with dignity.
Starving her to death seems...stupid. |
agreed. any chance she had at a diginified death has been taken away from her. the memory of her life at its fullest, has also been tainted by this as well.
as for the issue of starving, i read in an article that the patient actually feels eurphoric during this period. add to the fact that she is on morphine drip. she is not suffereing. i'm sure at this stage that she is considered palliative care. that is, provide the ultimate comfort measures (not cures) until death arrives.
i see a lot of families go through denial when watching a loved one in a crisis, a situation. they develop unrealistic exceptions of the health care system, themselves, the patient even. call it blind faith, whether good or bad intentions, they become a hinderance towards the outcome.
this case is not an isolated case. many ppl are experiencing this grief but without media exposure and involvement of religious and/or political figures.
within my practice, it is ALWAYS the best interest of the patient that is the primary goal in accordance to regulations. as far as i see, the law has spoken. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
I really think a LOT of people are missing the point.
This shouldn't be about whether or not to keep her alive...she's in a permanently vegetative state. It's about death with dignity.
Starving her to death seems...stupid. |
What dignity ? She's completely incapacitated, dependent and reliant on machines to help sustain her life. Where's the dignity in being attached to tubes that help you eat, , piss...where's the dignity in living like that ?
She starved herself to the point that she had a stroke, and now suddenly people have the gall to suggest that starving her, when 80% of her brain has turned to mush so she can finally make that transition is a terrible thing.
There can be no dignity in death -- not for Terri Schavio. There can only be an end to her and her families suffering. The dignity you speak of is something you percieve and it helps you to accept that a person has passed on. To use that poor woman as a pawn to carry out a political/religous agenda is not only undignified, it's downright reprehensible !
The fact that people would rather see her live as a vegatable so they can sleep better at night then accept that death is inevitable part of life churns my stomach.
70% of america supports the death penalty.
Offenders as young as 18 have recieved the death sentance...
But talk about liberating a woman from a 15 year nightmare of a life and you get a scourge of bible thumpers crawling out of the woodwork, ready to defend the sanctity of life ! :rolleyes:
F'ing Hypocrites ! :whip: |
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| b4k-oz |
Dear Jayx1,
Now that I've had time to ponder your intentions for this thread, I feel that perhaps I was too harsh towards you. I just wanted you to know that my intention was not to come crashing down on you, but it was to try and enlighten you to be more attentive to how your posts come across. Sometimes they are too controversial and your statements are crude. Such statements can stir some negative and ill feeling that are not necessary for TAs to have to endure.
Though I still stand in agreement with the courts rulings, I just wanted you to know that you are entitled to your opinion...just be more gracious as to how you express it.
Perhaps for your next post, you should try to focus on more positive topics and leave the negatives for another person.
BTW...if you really wanted to be helpful and informative to TAs, then you should be telling them to prepare a Power of Attorney and not a Living Will. Living Wills are easily contested in Canada and sometimes, they are not worth the paper that they are written on. |
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