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Van Nguyen - Hang or not to hang? (pg. 3)
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| sunrise3500 |
| I am highly amused :) |
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| narcism |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
some guy is gonna get murdered for making a stupid mistake. i pity the fvckers on here that cant seem to understand that.
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a mistake is forgetting to lock your front door
it is not trying to smuggle heroin into our country
| quote: | | some guy is gonna get murdered for making a stupid mistake. i pity the fvckers on here that cant seem to understand that. |
I know perfectly well he is going to get killed for what he done, as i said he is 25 and knows right from wrong, he is fully responsible for what he has done and i wont loose any sleep over him being killed. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by narcism
I know perfectly well he is going to get killed for what he done, as i said he is 25 and knows right from wrong,
see, thats interesting. do laws define right from wrong? of course not. is someone that does something honourable yet against the law, still "wrong"?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by narcism
he is fully responsible for what he has done and i wont loose any sleep over him being killed. |
and neither will i. but intellectually i find it pretty ;
you see, here we have an almost international system that creates enormous profits & crime thru the criminalisation of drug use/cultivation. its almost always the little fish that cop the punishments. never those that are the heart of the identified problem.
yet, at the other scale, various govts have deemed it ok to legalise plenty of other substances that cause as much damage. how many of us know people that engage in illegal drugs and never hurt anyone?
its hypocritical bull. the war on drugs can never be won, and for me there needs to be a purpose served by any justice system. i dont see any purpose being served here.
edit: anywayz, im meant to be finishing off my job appliation. so if anyone can muster something more challenging than "he knows right from wrong" or "i dont care coz its not directly affecting me" could you wait a couple of hours til ive finished? cheers :p |
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| narcism |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
its hypocritical bull. the war on drugs can never be won, and for me there needs to be a purpose served by any justice system. i dont see any purpose being served here.
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Well maybe the next idiot who tries to smuggle in will think twice, someone has to be made an example of :p |
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| Paulie |
| Who the makes the singapore judge god? to decide wether a young adult lives or not. The guy was always a trouble maker, both me and philby went to his school, not sure iof philbs can remember him, but it doesnt give no one the right to decide whether he should be allowed to live or not, and not only that its an easy way out!@ |
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| AussieTrance |
Same as China.. both have piss-poor human rights issues, and neither could give a flying fawk about it; just one less person they have to worry about.
Give him 20 years or something
On another note, never expected JH to do much... gutless piece of when it comes to pressuring other countries. |
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| sunrise3500 |
| quote: | Originally posted by AussieTrance
On another note, never expected JH to do much... gutless piece of when it comes to pressuring other countries. |
he never does anything... best puppet ever |
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| A.J. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulie
Who the makes the singapore judge god? to decide wether a young adult lives or not. The guy was always a trouble maker, both me and philby went to his school, not sure iof philbs can remember him, but it doesnt give no one the right to decide whether he should be allowed to live or not, and not only that its an easy way out!@ |
The judge didn't really have to decide whether he lives or dies. There is a mandatory death penalty for drug smuggling in Singapore. That is the law, and it is designed to act as a strong deterrent against drug smuggling. The judge would have simply been carrying out the laws of the country by handing down a death sentence.
This is the law in Singapore:
The Presumption Clause under Section 17 of the Misuse of Drugs Act (MDA) stipulates that anyone caught in the possession of a certain amount of a controlled drug is presumed to be trafficking in the drug and the onus is on him to prove that the drug found on him is not for the purpose of trafficking.
Under the MDA, a person is presumed to be trafficking in a controlled drug if he possesses more than:
2g of heroin;
3g of morphine;
100g of opium;
15g of cannabis;
10g of cannabis resin;
30g of cannabis mixture;
3g of cocaine;
25g of methamphetamine; or
10g of any or any combination of the following:
N, a-dimethyl-3,4-(methylenedioxy)phenethylamine;
a-methyl-3,4-(methylenedioxy)phenethylamine; or
N-ethyl-a-methyl-3,4-(methylenedioxy)phenethylamine
Type of Drug / Nature of Offence
Heroin
Illegal traffic, import or export of heroin of more than 15 grams - DEATH
Possession and consumption - Up to S$20,000 fine or 10 years' imprisonment or both |
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| Paulie |
| My point is A.J no human or legal system has the right to determine whether any individual should live or not... it just doesnt make sense... no which way you look at it. I could understand if it was an eye for and eye... but were talking about drugs here. |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulie
I could understand if it was an eye for and eye... but were talking about drugs here. |
And drugs have NEVER killed anyone:rolleyes: |
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| Paulie |
Nutter drugs arent forced down peoples throat like say a shotgun is at an armed robbery. Thats the difference mate. Your lifestyle is a CHOICE. You decide to have that lifestyle, then you indirectly punish yourself...
Dont get me wrong i have no pity for drug dealers, they are en scum, they are better off getting raped by poofs in a large jail cell rather then getting off scott free and getting killed. Its not a punishment, its the easy way out.
Anyway i see where people come from and its not a black and white issue. People die of drugs everyday...i just think we dont have a right to decide if people live or not. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
yeah, for once me and paulie are in total agreement (re choice).
the biggest & baddest outcomes of illegal drug use are caused by their criminalisation. look at how many ppl suffer & die at the hands of nicotine (quit since 7th november, is everyone proud of me!? :p) & alcohol- does the world stop turning? do societies crumble? no.
i still dont see how anyone has the right to tell me what to put in my body. its all bull.
criminalisation creates a situation whereby:
drugs are a ridiculously profitable commodity
criminal underclasses gain more power & reach than many of the govts above them
the small people that benefit least from the trade are punished the harshest |
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