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Van Nguyen - Hang or not to hang? (pg. 4)
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulie
Nutter drugs arent forced down peoples throat like say a shotgun is at an armed robbery. Thats the difference mate. Your lifestyle is a CHOICE. You decide to have that lifestyle, then you indirectly punish yourself...
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And this guy CHOSE to try to smuggle drugs into Singapore, where everyone knows have crazy laws about drugs.
I agree to some extent, it would be much more of a punishment to spend the rest of his life rotting in some prison. However as narcism said they have to make an example out of these people, and if it stops any drugs reaching Singapore, it'd be a success.
But, there is absolutely no reason for Australia to try to meddle in an uncorrupt judicial system, the very same way we would not like it if it happened in reverse. |
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| A.J. |
I have to agree with you there, Paulie.
The death penalty certainly is the easy way out for some people.
If I was convicted of a serious crime, I would much rather get the death penalty and get it over and done with, instead of spending the rest of my life in gaol getting butt-ed by huge mofo's every day. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
However as narcism said they have to make an example out of these people, and if it stops any drugs reaching Singapore, it'd be a success.
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firstly, are we actually suggesting criminal law is going to stop the drug trade? youre kidding me. surely? :conf:
you look at all the harsh laws around the world for all kinds of transgressions. people are not deterred. deterrence merely keeps an honest man honest, it doesnt stop profiteering criminal types from doing anything. it makes them sneakier. extreme punishments for crime have been used throughout history without changing criminal trends. desperate people do desperate things.
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
But, there is absolutely no reason for Australia to try to meddle in an uncorrupt judicial system, the very same way we would not like it if it happened in reverse. |
i really dont see anything wrong with the oz govt saying he could serve a sentence in australia. for a citizen of this country, and in a situation where i certainly feel a human rights violation is happening, then i say fvck yeah the govt should ask that.
if everyone here is saying the highly unlikely chance of these laws ever ever preventing the drug trade (*a trade that you have almost certainly partaken in at some stage of your life*) is more important than a man's life then i say thats a pretty fvcked way to see the world. |
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| A.J. |
Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
Clearly, the tough laws DO act as a deterrent and they are succesful in preventing/reducing crime. |
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| stamper |
| I'm undecided on this one, good arguments for and against. |
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| eRRaTiK |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
Singapore has the best chilli crab in the world. |
fixed, IMO.
+1 !!
stop being a fence sitter stamper :D |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
Clearly, the tough laws DO act as a deterrent and they are succesful in preventing/reducing crime. |
show me that there is a direct correlation between their law and order policy and their crime rate ;) crime is so much more complicated than how many bars, executions, prisons, sentences, guards etc there are. surely you can see that?
and there is also the wonderfully ambiguous measurement of "crime rate", but we wont get into that :D do you believe such harsh sentences to prevent what is (imo) a relatively victimless are just?
just coz a law is in effect doesnt make it right. imo, the punishment isnt right. not saying australia should bust in and get him out, just saying i dont think it serves any purpose.
edit: lol @ erratik :D |
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| S_madis |
Undecided also.....
as mentioned, I dont think 'law' can pass the devine right on whether someone is condemned to death or not.
On the flipside, Van Nguyen was exactly pushing a few pills down at Sublime. The guy had almost half a kilo of pure heroin, which equates to some petenious damage. We see images of his mother and family crying, fair enough, I totally sympathise with them, yet imagine all the weeping mothers around Australia, who could have possibly found their kid in some dirty alley due to a heroin overdose that was supplied by Van Nguyen! I know this much, they wouldn't be pleading for clemency. |
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| A.J. |
OK, well just going from personal experience....
when I was in Singapore, I got chatting to some taxi drivers and they told me that most people there are -scared of committing any crimes because the punishment is so harsh.
I'm just saying, it seems to me like the tough laws have led directly to lower crime.
what other possible reasons can you give for the low crime statistics????? |
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| Philby |
hmm
i do not believe in taking a person's life for a crime they commited. i think that lowers you to their level and i think having to live with yourself and what you have done, for the rest of your life if need be, is a much more suitable punishment.
i believe the australian government should always look out for its citizens in trouble, same with any government.
i think this person knew what would happen if he was caught, and i think he should be punished for it.
eh i think i've just followed what a lot of other people are saying haha. not sure if i have much to add at this hour :p |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
OK, well just going from personal experience....
when I was in Singapore, I got chatting to some taxi drivers and they told me that most people there are -scared of committing any crimes because the punishment is so harsh. |
fair enough. but theres obviously a heroin trade going on somewhere in it :p if we're talking drugs, i bet all the laws do is make it a more lucrative business.
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
what other possible reasons can you give for the low crime statistics????? |
plenty. economic situations. levels of poverty. employment.
historial/cultural history of crime. general feeling of (dis)content by ones citizens. the way in which the stats were gathered/interpreted.
i mean, you dont see japan brutalising their criminals and they have one of the most consistently low crime rate in the world, if not the lowest. the idea that heavy punishments = low crime has never convinced me. i mean, do you not shoot people because its illegal, or because its not the right thing to do? |
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| sunrise3500 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i mean, do you not shoot people because its illegal, or because its not the right thing to do? |
unfortunately, to a lot of people the latter dont mean , the only right thing is whatever makes them happy or whatever pays... |
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