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Van Nguyen - Hang or not to hang? (pg. 9)
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| DJ_Ballistic |
my point is
a) if you don't think he deserves a minutes silence you can round around screaming at the top of your lungs for all anyone will care
b) the only people comparing his acts to those of our esteemed veterans are you 2, the minutes silence is supposed to be in rememberence of our people who have fallen, we have a minutes silence for the people who died in world war 2, and yes their deeds were heroic, but we also had a minutes silence for 9/11 and the bali bombings, no one in those 2 events were defending our country, it's more a reflection of the bad that happens, which this undoubtedly is, criminal or not.
And to those who think that they're laws should be upheld simply because they exist, then i say he shouldn't be killed because my law says "thou shalt not kill, heads." you can't honestly say which one of us is right, i don't know why you bother trying. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
agree with ballistic.
nutter, try and make the distinction between the silence for someONE, and the silence for someTHING. if you dont see the difference, i would perhaps suggest concentrating more on your *real* science, coz social science might not be your thing :p |
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| Teflon_Teapot |
| i prefer *real* science to social science it makes more sense;) |
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| 00soups00 |
as all these guys previously have pointed out, the minutes silence is just something which gives people the time to stop and reflect. they could reflect on many things. They could reflect on why he chose to do this, or they could reflect on whether or not they agree with the death penalty.
The point to the minutes silence (although i didnt think an exact minutes silence had been arranged for Van Nguyen) is to give people the chance to stop and reflect. Personally, i will be using the time to have thoughts for his mother, and how horrible this must be for her. How horribly sad it is that she hasn't even been able to give her son a hug before he dies. I will also be reflecting and really making sure that i do not take things for granted. The things that matter to me. My music, my girlfriend, my family and my friends.
Never can i condone what Van Nguyen has done, and his crime is not one which can be excused at all. It was a faceless crime, to which he could traffik that heroin and not see the results it would have on the people who receive the drugs that he has traffiked. He cannot see the affect it has on the mothers of the heroin users who die from the drugs he traffiked, and the way the drugs tear up those families.
It's just sad that a young man has to learn from his mistake in this kind of manner. And to be honest, it all seems a bit hypocritical really. Here i am, sad seeing the way his life will end, yet not even giving a second thought to what would have happened if he had managed to get those drugs through to Singapore, and what havoc it would have reaped there...
I guess its all just a case of 'out of sight, out of mind'...
Still, i cannot ever justify the death penalty for people who don't pose an immediate threat to society... Van Nguyen does not fall into the 'evil' category/persona.
Thoughts and prayers go out to Van Nguyen and his family. And his brother Khoa, I hope you realise what you have started, and spend the rest of your days living your life in a way that honours your brother and all he has sacrificed for you |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
hanging is sooooo 1300's. |
Firing squad better? ;)
Can't believe someone compared PRC and Singapore as human rights abusers just because both have death penalties. US human rights violators too? How about other democracies which have death penalties?
As for whoever brought up UN human rights charter, that thing is not enforceable by international law. If you actually read the entire bloody thing, it goes on about providing everyone a job and free health care and all that. I can see UN trying to enforce that. 'If you don't comply I'll slap a resolution on you!'
Having a citizenship shouldn't be a pass to commmit whatever crime in other nations and expect to get off, or get a lesser sentence. If you don't like the rules there, don't go there. Simple as that.
Don't you love sensationalist media? How it jumps on a bandwagon because they think they'll make some profit off of it? |
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| 00soups00 |
| Rest In Peace.... |
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| charlee |
I can understand peoples frustration regarding this issue. There are so many people on death row and they all have their stories. This story is one that was fed to us through the medis on a day to day basis. Because of this some of us feel closer to the situation and therefore feel quite strongly about it. I do not believe that this is a bad thing. Any person being hanged is a very disturbing thought and I myself said my prayers for this boy and his family.
Silence or no silence that is your choice, your right :) lets just hope the debate does not stop and the story is not forgotten. |
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| eRRaTiK |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Having a citizenship shouldn't be a pass to commmit whatever crime in other nations and expect to get off, or get a lesser sentence. If you don't like the rules there, don't go there. Simple as that.
Don't you love sensationalist media? How it jumps on a bandwagon because they think they'll make some profit off of it? |
true dat. |
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| charlee |
| Merry Christmas O RLY owl!! you made me laugh! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| a very mature & well articulated post there soups :) covered all angles pretty well. |
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| 00soups00 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
a very mature & well articulated post there soups :) covered all angles pretty well. |
brains and brawn :)
this topic deserved some respect and maturity |
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| eRRaTiK |
| quote: | Originally posted by charlee
Merry Christmas O RLY owl!! you made me laugh! |
we could all do with a bit of laughter :)
 charlee
s0ups referring to his guns again isn't he? |
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