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What would you do if someone asked you to turn down your music on the bus/subway? (pg. 8)
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| DigitalMP |
| Jay, try not to be such a prick in a forum of debate. It IS possible to be level-headed and still have a tete-a-tete without telling someone to "get a life". Our differing views make us human. |
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| Jayx1 |
all im doing is boldly stating my opinion.
And "get a life" was directed at the complaining woman, not anyone on here.
Sorry if that was not clear. |
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| DigitalMP |
| It seemed to be directed at anyone who would have asked him to turn his music down, no? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigitalMP
It seemed to be directed at anyone who would have asked him to turn his music down, no? |
generally... but not specifically aimed at a trance addict member.
But yeah i do believe that anyone who would be cranky about someone's music needs to get a life.
And if that offends some people around here so be it. |
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| DigitalMP |
| I'm not going to make this like other TOTA marathons and rehash the same points page after page, so I'll leave it at that. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i find it stuck up for someone to be asking that in the first place. The polite thing to do would be to tolerate other people's being instead of taking issue with every little thing that they are doing.
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It's not impolite for her to ask if she does so nicely.
If she's rude and demanding about it, then that's a different story.
but from the sounds of people in this thread, even if someone nicely and politely asked them to turn their music down (not OFF), they would STILL tell her to go herself. who is being impolite now?
You make it sound like tolerance is the overarching value of canadian society...hopefully so is respect, and some of the people in this thread have none! fine if you dont want to turn it down, but you don't have to be so rude in your response.
This reminds me of getting on the collge street car during rush hour (or any streetcar when it's busy) - even though you were the first in line, there is always someone who busts their way past you to get on ahead of you. ALWAYS. why fight them? Would it PAIN you to just let them go ahead? what is so bad about getting on the streetcar second, or even third or fourth? what is so bad about listening to your music a little bit softer? absoultely nothing...
So much energy gets wasted on stupid things like this. I'm not saying the woman has a right to ask you to turn your music down, but what I am saying is that if you genuinely couldn't care less either way, why not just let her have what she wants? It is like you are fighting so hard for your right to listen to your music at YOUR volume, when probably, you don't really care if it's a little bit quieter. |
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| nadezhda |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Ive heard headphones in public many times and VERY RARELY can i even distinguish what song is playing. |
well many times i've heard exactly what song someone is listening to come blaring out from their headphones. some of us have better hearing than others. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
It's not impolite for her to ask if she does so nicely. |
yes it is.
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If she's rude and demanding about it, then that's a different story. |
then its even ruder
| quote: | | but from the sounds of people in this thread, even if someone nicely and politely asked them to turn their music down (not OFF), they would STILL tell her to go herself. who is being impolite now? |
No im saying is that if politely asked id politely refuse. Thats not being rude at all. If she rudely asked id probably still be polite. If she continued making it an issue after politely declining her request, thats when id get upset. ESPECIALLY if her kids joined in. Then id have a few words for them as well. (or id just make it louder to make a point)
| quote: | | You make it sound like tolerance is the overarching value of canadian society... |
To the contrary. I think Canadians like to fool themselves into thinking they have tolerence when clearly the act of NOT tolerating other people's existance on a bus demonstrates that this in not the case.
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hopefully so is respect, and some of the people in this thread have none! fine if you dont want to turn it down, but you don't have to be so rude in your response. |
Respect means putting up with the minor annoyances of every day life. Lack of respect means thinking you can have it your way all the time. I know i cant have it my way all the time. I cant stand people on a bus that dont shower or wear deodorant which i believe is a way bigger problem than headphones will ever be. But you dont see me going up to some dude and handing him a deoderant stick because that would be rude. Whats the difference between that and bothering someone who has headphones on?
I say there is no difference.
| quote: | | This reminds me of getting on the collge street car during rush hour (or any streetcar when it's busy) - even though you were the first in line, there is always someone who busts their way past you to get on ahead of you. ALWAYS. |
NOW THAT IS RUDE. And a comment such as "hey man, dont worry, we will all get there at the same time anyways" would be in order. No need to get upset about it. But its worth a comment.
| quote: | | why fight them? Would it PAIN you to just let them go ahead? what is so bad about getting on the streetcar second, or even third or fourth? what is so bad about listening to your music a little bit softer? absoultely nothing... |
I dont get this. So you would put up with someone's rudeness of pushing you aside but you wouldnt put up with someone's headphones? I would say that pushy people are the real problem here. Why not address that problem instead?
| quote: | | So much energy gets wasted on stupid things like this. |
agreed. If she minded her own business it wouldnt even be an issue.
| quote: | | I'm not saying the woman has a right to ask you to turn your music down, |
but you just did say that she does have the right. So does she or doesnt she?
| quote: | | but what I am saying is that if you genuinely couldn't care less either way, why not just let her have what she wants? |
but i do care about it. and if i really thought i was somehow being a genuine neusance to people (which wouldnt involve headphones btw) i wouldnt behave that way. Just because a few slect people PERCIEVE something to be a major neusance doesnt necissarily make it so.
| quote: | | It is like you are fighting so hard for your right to listen to your music at YOUR volume, when probably, you don't really care if it's a little bit quieter. |
Again i DO care. If i didnt then id turn it down. But that would be my choice, not hers.
Hey, im the first person to help someone out if they need it. ive gone out of my way for strangers many many times whereas most people wouldnt. (allow me to big myself up just to prove my point here). What i am saying is that although im a very helpful public citizen, i have no time for petty people who pick apart everything that other people do as if they are perfect. That woman's bratty kids alone would have trumped my earphone "annoyance" tenfold. And i probably would have responded with "id turn down my headphones but i wouldnt be able to hear anything over your kids' snide remarks." |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nadezhda
well many times i've heard exactly what song someone is listening to come blaring out from their headphones. some of us have better hearing than others. |
even still can you honestly say that its annoying?
I find the bus engine to be louder most of the time.
Actually i find a totally silent bus to be annoying. City life is supposed to be full of vibrant noises. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
What would you do if someone asked you to turn down your music on the bus/subway? |
I'd gut and hang them like an animal...
I'd gut and hang them like an animal... |
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| DigitalMP |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I dont get this. So you would put up with someone's rudeness of pushing you aside but you wouldnt put up with someone's headphones? I would say that pushy people are the real problem here. Why not address that problem instead?
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They're both being pushy. The difference is, one is doing it implicitly. |
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| Skipper |
Jay I dont have time to respond to the extent that you did...
Except, I meant to say she doesn't have the right to EXPECT you to turn it down...however, we all have the right to ask things of each other.
You and I disagree on a fundamental point...I would not call a polite request to turn down my blaring music "rude."
and the reason why I let the same people on the streetcar go ahead of me is the same reason why I'd probably turn down my music: small concessions on things that make slim to no difference in my life are worth making, if it means avoiding some unnecessary confrontation.
People in this city need to start GIVING a little bit rather than taking for me me me all the time. and since you can't change other people to do this, the only person that leaves that you have control over is you. |
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