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What would you do if someone asked you to turn down your music on the bus/subway? (pg. 9)
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
alright how about this...
you keep calling me and the other thousands of people who listen to their music loud "idiots" and we'll continue to listen to our music...and you can sit there and bitch and have NO CONTROL over it.:rolleyes: |
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| nadezhda |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
even still can you honestly say that its annoying?
I find the bus engine to be louder most of the time.
Actually i find a totally silent bus to be annoying. City life is supposed to be full of vibrant noises. |
yes, i can cos it's usually really bad music LOL.
because of this, i am careful to make sure that i have my music set at a low volume to be considerate to those around me so that i'm the only one who hears it.
i don't think i would ask someone to turn it down, but i don't think it's unreasonable of someone to request that. |
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| Jayx1 |
ok then ask away if someone feels the need to be that petty. I just dont think its unreasonable to say no to the request, thats all.
And if the answer is no, dont carry on about it like a spoiled little brat. |
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| Spam |
Jay, I also disagree with your assertion that a polite request is 'rude'. I have no issue with people asking for things, as long as they are willing to accept that sometimes, the answer will be no. Hell, if they ask politely, my answer is almost guarenteed to be 'Sure, no problem.' anyway. Nothing is ever achieved if you aren't willing to ask, but like I said, be ready to accept "No" as an answer.
I disagree that people not turning down their headphones is inconsiderate. It's a minor nuisance, and not worth even ASKING to have them turned down. Skipper, your example of the guy budding in line is a perfect way to SUPPORT Jay's position on this matter. You said "Would it PAIN you to just let them go ahead?" With an implied 'no'. You then followed with 'What is so bad about listening to your music a little bit softer?' I have an answer, It IS bad, it IS a pain, because then I have to listen to the bus engine, annoying conversations, whining/crying kids, etc. Let me ask you this then, would it PAIN you to just put up with the low-volume sound coming from another person's headphones, that usually is so low you can't hear much more than a few drum-beats? No, it doesn't because it's just another sound within a collection of MANY sounds. You had the right idea, but went in the opposite direction with it, in fact, in reference to the guy budding in line, I would disagree with your stance. Because he showed a DIRECT form of disrespect for you, and all the others in line, he DESERVES a comment in his direction. Whereas someone listening to their music loud is probably just trying to drown out all the outside noise, and probably doesn't even REALISE that it might bother another person. Now, if you won't take issue with someone disrespecting you outright, why would you take issue with a tiny bit of noise coming from someone's headphones? Why do you think it's ok to ask them to turn it down, but that it's rude to ask a smelly person to take a shower? Why do you feel that a request for someone to turn down their music isn't just display of petty intolerance (which it is)? You've so far convinced me that you believe tolerance is a one-way street, whereby you are INTOLERANT if you do not follow through with a request to lower the volume, when in fact, the first form of intolerance was the request in the first place. Do you know what tolerance means? Have you read the definition lately? To tolerate something is to 'put up' with it. Guess what? I'm being tolerant even if I IGNORE the request by someone to turn down my music, because I've (admittedly, against my will) just 'put up' with their intolerance. Tolerance does NOT mean acceptance.
As for you Jay, why would you turn down a POLITE request that you turn down your music? Is it just because you think it's rude to ask in the first place? Or is because you're set in your stance that you have the RIGHT to listen to your music loud?
I'm personally of the opinion that consideration should be repaid with consideration. If they ask politely, no problem, if they're anything less than polite about it, I ignore them, simple. |
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| Stilez |
Just to even things out ... this evening..I went up to a young(african-canadian)male on the Keele 41 bus and told him personally to turn down his music. It was super loud..and ty.
He actually did turn it down. Nice guy!
Now if it was some old MOBB..or Nas.. I wouldn't of said anything... but it was Lil' John. c'mon...that's just gross. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stilez
Just to even things out ... this evening..I went up to a young(african-canadian)male on the Keele 41 bus and told him personally to turn down his music. It was super loud..and ty.
He actually did turn it down. Nice guy!
Now if it was some old MOBB..or Nas.. I wouldn't of said anything... but it was Lil' John. c'mon...that's just gross. |
Oh, Robbie... :thepirate ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Jay, I also disagree with your assertion that a polite request is 'rude'. I have no issue with people asking for things, as long as they are willing to accept that sometimes, the answer will be no. Hell, if they ask politely, my answer is almost guarenteed to be 'Sure, no problem.' anyway. Nothing is ever achieved if you aren't willing to ask, but like I said, be ready to accept "No" as an answer.
I disagree that people not turning down their headphones is inconsiderate. It's a minor nuisance, and not worth even ASKING to have them turned down. Skipper, your example of the guy budding in line is a perfect way to SUPPORT Jay's position on this matter. You said "Would it PAIN you to just let them go ahead?" With an implied 'no'. You then followed with 'What is so bad about listening to your music a little bit softer?' I have an answer, It IS bad, it IS a pain, because then I have to listen to the bus engine, annoying conversations, whining/crying kids, etc. Let me ask you this then, would it PAIN you to just put up with the low-volume sound coming from another person's headphones, that usually is so low you can't hear much more than a few drum-beats? No, it doesn't because it's just another sound within a collection of MANY sounds. You had the right idea, but went in the opposite direction with it, in fact, in reference to the guy budding in line, I would disagree with your stance. Because he showed a DIRECT form of disrespect for you, and all the others in line, he DESERVES a comment in his direction. Whereas someone listening to their music loud is probably just trying to drown out all the outside noise, and probably doesn't even REALISE that it might bother another person. Now, if you won't take issue with someone disrespecting you outright, why would you take issue with a tiny bit of noise coming from someone's headphones? Why do you think it's ok to ask them to turn it down, but that it's rude to ask a smelly person to take a shower? Why do you feel that a request for someone to turn down their music isn't just display of petty intolerance (which it is)? You've so far convinced me that you believe tolerance is a one-way street, whereby you are INTOLERANT if you do not follow through with a request to lower the volume, when in fact, the first form of intolerance was the request in the first place. Do you know what tolerance means? Have you read the definition lately? To tolerate something is to 'put up' with it. Guess what? I'm being tolerant even if I IGNORE the request by someone to turn down my music, because I've (admittedly, against my will) just 'put up' with their intolerance. Tolerance does NOT mean acceptance.
As for you Jay, why would you turn down a POLITE request that you turn down your music? Is it just because you think it's rude to ask in the first place? Or is because you're set in your stance that you have the RIGHT to listen to your music loud?
I'm personally of the opinion that consideration should be repaid with consideration. If they ask politely, no problem, if they're anything less than polite about it, I ignore them, simple. |
And HELLO SUPERPOST! Nicely said. I agree.
Jem |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stilez
Just to even things out ... this evening..I went up to a young(african-canadian)male on the Keele 41 bus and told him personally to turn down his music. It was super loud..and ty.
He actually did turn it down. Nice guy!
Now if it was some old MOBB..or Nas.. I wouldn't of said anything... but it was Lil' John. c'mon...that's just gross. |
How did you ask? Politely? Did you 'politely' tell him to? Or were you a petty prick? |
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| Stilez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
How did you ask? Politely? Did you 'politely' tell him to? Or were you a petty prick? |
somewhere in between. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stilez
somewhere in between. |
recognizzzzzzzzzzzzzze! :D |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Skipper, your example of the guy budding in line is a perfect way to SUPPORT Jay's position on this matter. You said "Would it PAIN you to just let them go ahead?" With an implied 'no'. You then followed with 'What is so bad about listening to your music a little bit softer?' I have an answer, It IS bad, it IS a pain, because then I have to listen to the bus engine, annoying conversations, whining/crying kids, etc. |
It doesn't support his position, because I think for both scenarios, it really doesn't make a difference to most people if they allow the other person what they want.
I think it's funny and sad at the same time that people would rather be rude back to the woman rather than just make a small concession. How long do you ever ride the TTC at one time anyways? Is it really so awful to have your music a bit softer for the duration of the trip? Who cares?
You're another one of those people that seems to waste energy on meaningless confrontations. Do you think when you tell that guy who DESERVES to be told not to butt ahead of you in line that he will never do it again? Of course he'll do it again! there are so many things in everyday life in this city to get annoyed or angry about....if you let yourself get angry or annoyed over them.
The only person's behaviour you can change is your own, and the only person's attitude you can control is your own. we don't all exist in isolation, you know. and while perhaps the woman doesn't have the RIGHT to expect you to turn it down, I really don't see what the big deal is in humoring her for the rest of your trip if she was polite in asking. chances are, you're annoying everyone around you, not just her. |
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| me@t k@tie |
| personally, I would probably smile and turn it down, as I am not one to want to cause confrontations. I might be a bit aggrivated, but what's the point in starting an argument? It doesn't resolve anything, it only makes things worse. |
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| Jem_hadar |
I would politely turn off my music, put my iPody away in my pocket, then pull out my portable large BOOMBOX from my backpack and blast that bleedin' out of it! And I'd smile. You can't be rude.
Jem |
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