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Saddam Hussein convicted to death by hanging (pg. 9)
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| extacy_bomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by SummerCallin
thank u *BOWS*
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you suck more
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| SummerCallin |
| quote: | Originally posted by extacy_bomb
Cause he was a killer man, he killed so many people . He took the power in iraq and didn't let any other political party to grow, he made the place a totall jail for thier people. he didn't let the sociaty grow ,and that last one is the worst thing that can happen to any country,group, people. |
so if we dont like the way a certain politician is doin his thing, we killl him? and why do u keep talkin about the iraqis and wat they went through as if thats the reason theyre killin him? |
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| SummerCallin |
| quote: | Originally posted by extacy_bomb
you suck more
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I didnt say u suck but OK! |
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| extacy_bomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
SO you are justifying using nukes to change regimes?wow
and guess who is paying the price for those consequences ? the Afghan and the Iraqi people.:mad:
war and invasion is not a solution to our problems.
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[b] no man don get wrong, not nukes. you think i like seeing people suffer? hell no. it is so sad to see anyone suffer, but let's jus look at it from anotehr dimension.
Think about what would happen in iraq if saddam was staying:
he'd be in power as long as his life let him do so, after his death one of his sons would be in power , it's jus predictions but what's so likely is that there would be civil wars between the head of the governments,cause everyone would want a piece right. and trust me it would go on and on for generations. since iraqi society was grown so close minded they wouldn't chaneg a thing and the power would switch from one dictator to the other.
But now there's atleast some hope.
That's my point of view to this whole thing.
sorry that i am loggin out, but gotta wake up early tommorow and still am recovering from party lastnite. :nervous: .
g-nite |
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| evil_cookie |
| lol some people srsly need to work on their english before attempting to join in on an argument.:p |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| Some nations just aren't meant for democracy. Being a Russian person, I can just tell you the Russian nation cannot be left to be governed by ourselves. Well it can, but there'll be little progress. Our best years throughout history have ALWAYS been under rulers who ruled with an iron fist. I can't quite explain it, but the Russians need to feel they are being controlled in order to be productive. Democracy kills the need for a strong leader imo, and some nations are just too used to looking up to their strong leader for direction. Regardless of the atrocities Stalin did, which the population more or less knew about, they turned a blind eye to it and did whatever was asked of them, because Stalin oozed confidence and strong leadership. It's the same with our Czars - the most ruthless ones progressed Russia far more than weak ones. I think it's the same thing in Iraq/middle east in general. They need that leader figure. If it's not in the government, then one will rise out of the general population. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by SummerCallin
so if we dont like the way a certain politician is doin his thing, we killl him? and why do u keep talkin about the iraqis and wat they went through as if thats the reason theyre killin him? |
The clear enough facts are that Saddam did enough bad things to warrant a death penalty.
Yeah, others are using him to advance their own agenda, but then again, Saddam was going to get executed no matter who got their hands on him. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Some nations just aren't meant for democracy. Being a Russian person, I can just tell you the Russian nation cannot be left to be governed by ourselves. Well it can, but there'll be little progress. Our best years throughout history have ALWAYS been under rulers who ruled with an iron fist. I can't quite explain it, but the Russians need to feel they are being controlled in order to be productive. Democracy kills the need for a strong leader imo, and some nations are just too used to looking up to their strong leader for direction. Regardless of the atrocities Stalin did, which the population more or less knew about, they turned a blind eye to it and did whatever was asked of them, because Stalin oozed confidence and strong leadership. It's the same with our Czars - the most ruthless ones progressed Russia far more than weak ones. I think it's the same thing in Iraq/middle east in general. They need that leader figure. If it's not in the government, then one will rise out of the general population. |
Somewhat similar situation with South Korea.
Never had a democratic tradition. First president Syngman Rhee was another dictator under disguise of popular president. (He just happened to be more popular pro US guy) Military controlled presidency for heck of a long time and it was what, 1995 or something like that when first non general was elected as a president and now, South Korea is one of the stablest democracies in Asia.
Took a helluva long time for a nation without democracy to develop.
My point is, you gotta start somewhere, or at least provide a framework for eventually a strong democratic society to develop |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by extacy_bomb
Cause he was a killer man, he killed so many people . He took the power in iraq and didn't let any other political party to grow, he made the place a totall jail for thier people. he didn't let the sociaty grow ,and that last one is the worst thing that can happen to any country,group, people. |
hmmm when he was in power there was no Islamic radicals,no insurgency,no bombs blowing up,people had clean water and electricty.There was SECURITY and security is a fundemental part of a nation.So you are saying Bush invaded Iraq because he cared about Iraqi people? lol
| quote: | | take a deep look at the history, you'll find all of the countries that has gotten a relief from their dictator regime has progress to better somehow. and in all cases there was a civil war happening in the begining. And that's so expectbale since any changes will have some sort of drama/waste and problem. |
what makes you think Iraq is dying for a democracy?did they ask anyone to come and invade them?you think the Americans way of democracy will work in the region?if your answer is yes then I highly recommend to readup and you might be alittle shocked.
Same goes for Iran,if they ever get anything similar to Iraq,meaning getting invaded,the country will become a in zoo.
Democracy must rise from within kid not from outside.
| quote: | | if you compare it to how many people died in WWII with this war it's even nothing. so ya there is a next generation for Iraq which witnessed their cruel leader get what he deserved and which witnoss how democracy could work out for them as well. so it basically makes them ready for a better tomorrow. [/b] |
Are you high dude?do you not see whats happening here?what future?the only future I can see for Iraq sadly is that are becoming the new Afghanistan aka no law no security,and war lords rising everywhere.
| quote: | | I meant if this happen to iran, things will be better in the future. i know i know ,you'r gonna say what happend 25 years ago ,why things got worse, it could have any reason why it got to wrong hands,but by sittin down and doing nothing |
Iran will become a in disaster in a week if they get invaded.I can assure you on that.
| quote: | | these ROOTS of dictatorship will grow in people's culture and people actually stop carying about thier country and their own rights and think that life would only be this way and there's not a better way. |
people can change anything if they want,no need for the west to go in and them over.and for your information it was America who brought khomaini to Iran,and he ended up being their enemy years later.
People of Iran dont want anything to do with the U.S.!!they ed them up once but they wont let them do it again.
| quote: | | Jus like hiding in a cave and beeing afraid of comin out and starving to death at the end. but if you came out of the cave you could have gotten some food and survive ,even though it could have had consequences.[/b] |
:conf: layoff the drugs man,I have no idea wht you are saying. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
lol some people srsly need to work on their english before attempting to join in on an argument.:p |
+10
or dont be high when you are attemping to have a serious discussion.;) |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
hmmm when he was in power there was no Islamic radicals,no insurgency,no bombs blowing up,people had clean water and electricty.There was SECURITY and security is a fundemental part of a nation.So you are saying Bush invaded Iraq because he cared about Iraqi people? lol
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Oh yes. Iraqis had plenty of security. They just couldn't look at Saddam the wrong way, never kind criticize him at all cuz they go to one of Saddam's funland and get the crap beat out of them if lucky. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by extacy_bomb
Think about what would happen in iraq if saddam was staying:
he'd be in power as long as his life let him do so, after his death one of his sons would be in power , |
and?how does that effect me and you at the end of the day?
you need to open your eyes and see why U.S invaded Iraq in the first place,and realise that the Neocons dont give two s about Iraqis.it is all about their expansion and power in the region.
| quote: | it's jus predictions but what's so likely is that there would be civil wars between the head of the governments,cause everyone would want a piece right. and trust me it would go on and on for generations. since iraqi society was grown so close minded they wouldn't chaneg a thing and the power would switch from one dictator to the other.
But now there's atleast some hope.
That's my point of view to this whole thing. |
ok..:conf: |
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