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Americans posing as Canadian abroad (pg. 5)
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
internet hurts peoples feelings at times. |
*sigh*..... the internet broke my heart........ then it knocked up my sister...... |
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| colonelcrisp |
-totally unrelated post-
Im working from home today since the AC repair company gives you the window of 8 am to 8pm when they are going to show up..... working while listening to BBE 7 days and one week kicks ass |
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| Alex |
Canada can't have a huge impact on the world stage, given we don't have the same population as the USA, thus not the same wealth.
Also we don't have the history of being powerful, in comparisson to the UK and France for instance.
So what RJT says is true, we contribute lots to stuff but it isn't to the same extent at all.
That being said, don't write off our importance just yet, given there are 7 countries in the world that are considered to be supremely rich and prosperous and we are one of them..... and we only have about half the population of the UK/France/Italy, a 10th of the USA's and a quarter of Japan's :p |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
BOOM, propaganda (with nothing to back it up, no less):
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Canada's contribution to WWI, WWII and Korea is well documented, as is the reputation for tenacity of Canadian troops during WWI.
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And here's you picking fights (as well as name-calling) regarding the whole "me vs. you" assertion (and at the very least making some absurd generalizations):
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Where is the name calling? Generalizations, I'll give you that one.
But the question still stands, don't you find it insulting that many of your countrymen go out of thier way to misrepresent thier nationality when abroad?
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You're the one who made it about why you think you're so great as a nation, not I. You've also made it a point to keep telling me what I do, when you clearly haven't the foggiest.
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'You' referred to all Americans, not just you...my bad there. I don't know about you personally. And I wasn't saying what a great country we are and how nobody realizes how awesome we are - I was citing historical events that shaped how Canadians see ourselves...
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In summary, I made a playful jab at you and you took it and ran with it. Oh well, not my problem if internet hurts peoples feelings at times. |
You got your back up there a little bit as well, no?
My whole point here, this entire back and forth aside, is that I find it sad such a proud people conceal thier nationalities, and I find it an affront that they assume mine. |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Canada's contribution to WWI, WWII and Korea is well documented, as is the reputation for tenacity of Canadian troops during WWI.
Where is the name calling? Generalizations, I'll give you that one.
But the question still stands, don't you find it insulting that many of your countrymen go out of thier way to misrepresent thier nationality when abroad?
'You' referred to all Americans, not just you...my bad there. I don't know about you personally. And I wasn't saying what a great country we are and how nobody realizes how awesome we are - I was citing historical events that shaped how Canadians see ourselves...
You got your back up there a little bit as well, no?
My whole point here, this entire back and forth aside, is that I find it sad such a proud people conceal thier nationalities, and I find it an affront that they assume mine. |
DAS you must be in the CF...... probably the best trained military in the world, at the same time as being the most underfunded and under equipped..... and im pretty sure we are the only country that buys used submarines...... |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
DAS you must be in the CF...... probably the best trained military in the world, at the same time as being the most underfunded and under equipped..... and im pretty sure we are the only country that buys used submarines...... |
I spent 4 years in the infantry...rifleman and anti-armour.
But that's besides the point.
CoR version: Some Americans wear Canadian flags when they travel, that pisses me off. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Knock it the off!
I know it's old news, but I thought it would be a good (and possibly repeat) subject for discussion.
I have spent a fair amount of time in the US, both as a civillian and as a soldier on brigade exercises to Fort Knox, KY. I have attended Veteran's Day celebrations as part of an exchange, marching with arms in an honour guard. I've been to your BBQ's, I've been to your parades.
I was touched to see that every single person stands up, places thier hand over thier heart and sings during the national anthem. I can honestly say that Americans are some of the most patriotic people I have ever met.
At home.
So why then, when travelling abroad, do so many American citizens not only hide thier heritage but misrepresent themselves as being Canadian? It's like loving your children, but pretending you don't know them in public because they're ugly.
Canada has worked hard over the last 140 some-odd years to build a unique identity.
During WWI, Canadians were the go-to guys for tough assignments, jobs other had tried and failed to accomplish. Canadian soldiers developed a reputation for being the baddest motherfcukers on the block.
In WWII, Canadians fought with distinction; again capturing difficult targets and helping rid the world of tyrrany. Fighting alongside British, American, French, Australian and other allied forces to bring down the axis of evil.
Canada stepped up to answer the call in Korea, the often forgotten Canadian war.
Since Korea, the Caniadian identity shifted to that of a peacekeeping nation, soldiers of peace and justice.
Our role in the world as a moral compass and trusted proxy has been perverted lately because of our new right-wing government, but remains an understood part of our social identity.
When I travel, I wear a Canadian flag on my pack and I wear it with pride. Being a Canadian abroad is a wonderful thing, the world loves us, people engage you.
In the last couple of years more and more travel sites (and I believe at least one US government agency) have suggested that Americans abroad wear Canadian flags or shirts (shirts which no Canadian actually wears) as a method of defence and gaining acceptance. That pisses me off.
You talk about being the world's police force (the politics of which I won't get into) and the defenders of democracy in the world, but hide behind the skirt of your Northern neighbour to avoid public opinion. Where is your pride then?Are you only proud to be American when talking to other Americans? Why the fairweather patriotism? Don't you find it insulting to the country you love so much, or your much-revered forefathers to not only conceal, but misrepresent your nationality?
I certainly find it disrespectful to parade around under the guise of being Canadian, when you don't embody - and in fact make the subject of scorn and amusement - Canadian values.
If you don't want to draw attention to your nationality that's your perrogative, but stop pretending to be something you're not. Stop denegrating our reputation. Maybe you don't see it, but you are taking something from all of us in the great white north. It's a sad day when I am assumed to be an American because I wear a Canadian flag. We have worked hard to create a global image for ourselves and you cheapen that with your deception. Knock it off.
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I never knew there were people who did that..... lol
But i can see why......
probably by the amount of ignorance in this country... and stuff like this
| quote: | Originally posted by SteelWolf
Why carry a gun on the town? Why not? It is my right as an American, and I serve to protect that among all other rights. Additionally, its better to have one and not need it than to need it and not have one. People need to be realistic - the world is not a friendly place.
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
The truth is that your "identity" is that of those who follow the U.S., and nothing more. You have no clout, and no one, I repeat NO ONE, looks to you as "soldiers" of any sort, even "peace and justice."
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What?
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
This, right here, this attitude is why you are so lamented around the world. You have no respect for anyone else. It's all, 'thank god for the USA because we're the only ones in the world making a difference'. You have no concept of what 'Canadian identity' is, and no desire to find out.
I'm sure you're right though, we're just your little lapdog waiting to be annexed. :rolleyes: |
exactly.....
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
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Way to take things too personally and completely out of context. I never said any of that, but you feel free to believe whatever you'd like - just understand that doesn't make it true (you certainly aren't holding down any of those countries on your own).
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it sure sounded like it. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Canada's contribution to WWI, WWII and Korea is well documented, as is the reputation for tenacity of Canadian troops during WWI.
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Contribution is a bit different terms than saying:
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
During WWI, Canadians were the go-to guys for tough assignments, jobs other had tried and failed to accomplish. Canadian soldiers developed a reputation for being the baddest motherfcukers on the block.
In WWII, Canadians fought with distinction; again capturing difficult targets and helping rid the world of tyrrany. Fighting alongside British, American, French, Australian and other allied forces to bring down the axis of evil.
Canada stepped up to answer the call in Korea, the often forgotten Canadian war.
Since Korea, the Caniadian identity shifted to that of a peacekeeping nation, soldiers of peace and justice.
Our role in the world as a moral compass and trusted proxy . . . remains an understood part of our social identity.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Shall we just hand Afghanistan back over to your control, then? See if you can manage that AND Iraq all by your lonesome.
Or let's see...Cyprus, East Timor, The former Yugoslavia, Gaza...etc.
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You weren't talking about "contribution" at all, you were spouting nonsense worse than American propaganda during WW2.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Where is the name calling? Generalizations, I'll give you that one.
But the question still stands, don't you find it insulting that many of your countrymen go out of thier way to misrepresent thier nationality when abroad? |
And here's your name calling:
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
How about just plain, old you.
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And you don't have to exaggerate or lie about your impact to prove anything to anyone, as here:
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
'You' referred to all Americans, not just you...my bad there. I don't know about you personally. And I wasn't saying what a great country we are and how nobody realizes how awesome we are - I was citing historical events that shaped how Canadians see ourselves... |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
You got your back up there a little bit as well, no?
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No, I just prefer fact rather than bull claims.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
My whole point here, this entire back and forth aside, is that I find it sad such a proud people conceal thier nationalities, and I find it an affront that they assume mine. |
Then stick to that point instead of espousing the nonsense I've now quoted twice for you. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
In fairness Vern, you don't look like an American. You look like an Asian tourist. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
What?
exactly.....
it sure sounded like it. |
Either you have a worse understanding of the English language than I had imagined possible or you didn't even read the thread.
Either way, not my problem. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| I think it has mostly to do with the fact that most people from the US are incredibly uneducated and honestly believe that their lives are in danger if they travel. As if people looking to score a buck off of an unassuming tourist are going to seek out Americans. As if the rest of the world would want to waste their time coming up with interesting ways to kill American tourists in Europe. BUT - they think that they can cheat death and robbery if they say they are from Canada. Which I think proves the very point they are trying to deny exists - Americans are idiots. |
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