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things you are sick of in fashion today (pg. 16)
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| narcism |
in australia :rolleyes:
the greatest use for these shoes were as slippers, funnily enough its not mentioned in the article why? because they were seen as a real daggy/ugly thing to wear how they became a fashionable icon is beyond me. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
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I see little use in arguing with you after you admitted that! |
No, I don't think that's the reason.
I think the reason you wont reply is that I've clearly made my point:
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
I refer you to Professor Shawn Lehman of anthropology at my school, he teaches in sweats, shorts, jeans, everything in between. He is currently a finalist on TVO's best lecturer--the students love him.
And to speak to your point about students looking up to their educators as role models, I think that's certainly okay, I have had many teachers who I have looked up to, and still do. However, the way they dressed was the last thing on my list when I decided to 'idolize' them. I hope students are building relationships with their teachers because they can appreciate what the teacher has to say, as oppose to what they're wearing when they're saying it. |
And you cannot argue on any other basis other than preference--because that's all this is, is PREFERENCE. Where you are wrong is to generalize and suggest that certain attire makes a professor less or more competent in his or her ability to teach effectively. Which I have shown is wrong. |
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| Frenchie |
| But work is work. You should always be dressed in attire that goes with your career. If you were a Gym teacher...you'd be dressed for success. |
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| malek |
| what would you think of a doctor coming short jeans and a Hawaii shirt? |
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| Special K |
evil cookie if u were my prof and u were dressing like that I would not take you seriously at all and id think you were a complete tool
wtf ... |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
No, I don't think that's the reason.
I think the reason you wont reply is that I've clearly made my point:
And you cannot argue on any other basis other than preference--because that's all this is, is PREFERENCE. Where you are wrong is to generalize and suggest that certain attire makes a professor less or more competent in his or her ability to teach effectively. Which I have shown is wrong. |
I am glad you have shown that is wrong. However, I did not imply that was the case. I simply declined to reply to you because it is clear that there is no hope in arguing with someone who actually teaches wearing track pants.
I'm not saying wearing track pants makes you an ineffective teacher. What I am saying though is that wearing track pants while you teach makes you a slob and shows that you lack a great deal of professionalism. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
what would you thing of a doctor coming short jeans and a Hawaii shirt? |
Don't take this out of context, we're talking about school.
And I've already made it perfectly clear that certain faculties require you to dress a certain way; and that's perfectly fine. However, not all teachers or professors walk around in suits, nor are they required to.
Like I've already mentioned, some of the most distinguished professors at my school dress as casually as wearing sweat pants. Hell, one of the most famous Canadian philosophers Mark Kingwell, commonly wears hilarious t-shirts, stuff from tshirthell.com does that make him an incompetent prof? Absolutely not.
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
I am glad you have shown that is wrong. However, I did not imply that was the case. I simply declined to reply to you because it is clear that there is no hope in arguing with someone who actually teaches wearing track pants.
I'm not saying wearing track pants makes you an ineffective teacher. What I am saying though is that wearing track pants while you teach makes you a slob and shows that you lack a great deal of professionalism. |
I humbly accept the rebuke. :D
If the success my colleagues have attained has been the result of lack-of professionalism, then SIGN ME UP!
edit: to prevent this circular discussion from tediously carrying on, I will concede the point that perhaps some students might view myself and others as slobs--so I accept this part of your argument.
Here is my suggestion: next time you are confronted by an instructor who's attire is simply unacceptable in your eyes, you shall march up to him or her and protest this grave injustice!
Alas, you will quickly find that it is you, the student who is here to learn, is the one who needs to adapt, and not the instructor, who is here to educate. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
Just because someone doesn't wear slacks and heals everyday doesn't mean they aren't presentable. |
Ah right, I forgot that most stores only sell slacks and sweatsuits and you have to choose one or the other.
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
Like I've already mentioned, some of the most distinguished professors at my school dress as casually as wearing sweat pants. Hell, one of the most famous Canadian philosophers Mark Kingwell, commonly wears hilarious t-shirts, stuff from tshirthell.com does that make him an incompetent prof? Absolutely not. |
Eh. Superstars and VIPs can often get away with wearing just about anything, because of their reputations. Doesn't mean that you can.
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
Alas, you will quickly find that it is you, the student who is here to learn, is the one who needs to adapt, and not the instructor, who is here to educate. |
That's very well in-keeping with your other comments on this forum and I consider it to be a attitude in general. Do you actually believe that just because you earned a degree, you have nothing more to learn from anyone else, even on a totally unrelated subject?
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
I don't wear gym clothes to school often. |
That's important. It's the difference between sleeping in or forgetting to do the laundry and just being a slob.
Folks, fashion may not mean anything to you, and if you spend most of your time around people who think the same way, then all the power to you. But for a lot of us, what you wear is a subtle indicator of things like your personal habits and self-esteem.
And if your argument is that you don't care what anyone else thinks, then I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of. You shouldn't care exclusively what other people think, but if you don't care at all then you're just being anti-social. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That's very well in-keeping with your other comments on this forum and I consider it to be a attitude in general. Do you actually believe that just because you earned a degree, you have nothing more to learn from anyone else, even on a totally unrelated subject?
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Bahahah seriously, Bachelor of Arts in Being a Cunt, imo. Majored in being a douche with a minor in arrogance. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Do you actually believe that just because you earned a degree, you have nothing more to learn from anyone else, even on a totally unrelated subject?
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My god, you are an idiot. How the hell do you come up with the above nonsense from what I said? When did I suggest that I have "nothing nothing more to learn from anyone else"?
Professors and TA's are hired to teach within set boundaries and standards. So long as the instructors abide by said standards they're doing their jobs--the university does not care whether an instructor dresses casually or formally (with the exception of certain faculties like I've mentioned), so long as it does not effect their ability to teach.
That's it. At the end of the day, the administration does not give a about a couple of whinny students, who whine about attire, when the prof is teaching as he or she is required to.
Call it a ty attitude, call it mean--like it or not, this is how things work.
P.S. It's hilarious that I'm even defending this, I think the only time I've ever taught in sweats or anything of the sort has been once; and even that was under circumstances. Regardless though, most of you have a very skewed view on how a university runs--so I'll still stick to this position, because I know plenty of very good teachers who teach casually on a daily basis. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| I guess that's what sets apart the respected teachers from the ones who nobody remembers. How one dresses is a big part of professionalism. It shows that one takes their work seriously, and is trying to present a certain image...that they have a certain work ethic. But nowadays very few people actually give a about that, as this thread has proven. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
How one dresses is a big part of professionalism. It shows that one takes their work seriously, and is trying to present a certain image...that they have a certain work ethic. |
I would generally agree with this. However, in the specific context of a school environment, I don't believe the most important thing is attire; albeit an aspect of professionalism, we should not accentuate it to a point where it overshadows the primary obligation to teach effectively. |
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