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things you are sick of in fashion today (pg. 17)
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| Silky Johnson |
| Of course not, but it shouldn't be ignored, either. And don't you think that presenting a certain image DOES facilitate effective teaching? Helps to command a certain level of respect? |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Of course not, but it shouldn't be ignored, either. And don't you think that presenting a certain image DOES facilitate effective teaching? Helps to command a certain level of respect? |
Absolutely it does. However, hasty attitudes like:
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
If I had a teacher coming in sweats, I would drop the class, |
are what I want to point out to be senseless. In a school environment, you should not jump to rash conclusions based on your instructors attire. For instance, if I have a teacher whom I eagerly want to learn from, who indecently dresses like a 'slob,' I don't think I'd hesitate in weighting out the factors and deciding that his choice of attire comes second to his ability to teach.
You should not walk into a class room with predispositions regarding your instructors ability to teach as supposed by his attire. For many professors the way they dress is not that terribly important to them; and for this reason, I don't think it should be held against them. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
For many professors the way they dress is not that terribly important to them; and for this reason, I don't think it should be held against them. |
I think that it's for exactly that reason that it should. I guess I just have old fashioned values about work/professionalism/work ethic...but I don't care how awesome a teacher is; I will find it more challenging to respect them as a professional if they present themselves in manner that tells me just to do that. Because when you dress like "It isn't terribly important to you" you're sending a message about how seriously you take yourself, and therefore how seriously you think others should take you. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
How the hell do you come up with the above nonsense from what I said? When did I suggest that I have "nothing nothing more to learn from anyone else"? |
You said in plain language that everybody else has to adapt to you and your standards. I think the message was pretty clear.
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
In a school environment, you should not jump to rash conclusions based on your instructors attire. |
So in any other environment it's fine, but not a school environment?
I don't understand how you can expect to be respected as much as or more than other professionals when you refuse to hold yourselves to the same standards of professionalism. Even high school teachers dress appropriately for a public setting.
| quote: | | For many professors the way they dress is not that terribly important to them; and for this reason, I don't think it should be held against them. |
That is patently absurd. Of course it's not terribly important to them, otherwise they would put more effort into it! That's like saying I shouldn't hold it against my (hypothetical) coworker who doesn't brush his teeth, because dental hygiene just isn't all that important to him. Or, for that matter, I shouldn't hold it against anybody who's totally incompetent because his job just isn't terribly important to him.
It's important to other people, and you're in public. It's not an excuse to say that it isn't important to you. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| Teachers have it pretty good too IMO. At most jobs, people need to wear business attire (suit, tie etc,), but professors are not generally given a dress code, so are free to wear what they want. The least you could do is put on jeans and a button up shirt, or slacks and a dress shirt and not wear sweats to work. It shows your lack of respect for the students who paid their money to get a good education. Yes, I realize that the education is in the teaching, but it still shows a lack of respect IMO, when you're supposed to be a role model. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
role model. |
There it is. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You said in plain language that everybody else has to adapt to you and your standards. I think the message was pretty clear.
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That's an observational fact. Once you enter a classroom as a student you have to adapt to your instructors wishes. That has nothing to do with "nothing nothing more to learn from anyone else." They are the course supervisor and instructor, you are there to learn from them, they set the rules that you abide by. Is that simple enough language?
This DOES NOT have anything to do with
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Do you actually believe that just because you earned a degree, you have nothing more to learn from anyone else, even on a totally unrelated subject?
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| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I don't understand how you can expect to be respected as much as or more than other professionals when you refuse to hold yourselves to the same standards of professionalism. Even high school teachers dress appropriately for a public setting.
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Well you can taken comfort in knowing that it doesn't concern you, and insofar it concerns the instructors, they know how to act in the best interest of themselves and the school.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That is patently absurd. Of course it's not terribly important to them, otherwise they would put more effort into it! That's like saying I shouldn't hold it against my (hypothetical) coworker who doesn't brush his teeth, because dental hygiene just isn't all that important to him
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Again you're misrepresenting my position.
I said
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
You should not walk into a class room with predispositions regarding your instructors ability to teach as supposed by his attire. |
If the instructor is doing what is required of him, it is stupid to place so much emphasis on his attire, or presuppose that he is an incompetent teacher because he's wearing certain clothes.
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
when you're supposed to be a role model. |
It might be of interest to some of you who hold such strong beliefs, that professors should act as role models, to address some of the points made in Stanley Fish's book: Save the World on Your Own Time.
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Teachers have it pretty good too IMO. At most jobs, people need to wear business attire (suit, tie etc,), but professors are not generally given a dress code, so are free to wear what they want. |
Yes exactly--this is why I am not generalizing as I'm only discussing this in the context of school. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
That's an observational fact. Once you enter a classroom as a student you have to adapt to your instructors wishes. That has nothing to do with "nothing nothing more to learn from anyone else." They are the course supervisor and instructor, you are there to learn from them, they set the rules that you abide by. Is that simple enough language?
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Seriously? Well then I'm glad I don't go to UofT, if this is the attitude all professors embody. I prefer an environment based on mutual teacher-student respect, not one where the professor's "rules" are followed blindly by people who think having a degree is a reason to give someone authority. :rolleyes: |
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| Frenchie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Ah right, I forgot that most stores only sell slacks and sweatsuits and you have to choose one or the other.
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I never said sweats were the only thing I wore. I dressed "properly:rolleyes:" most of the time. Only on super early days did I dress uber comfy. I had work or interning to go to before/after school so I wasn't going to dress in sweats for either.
The fact that people really care and make a fuss about what other students wear is funny.
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Bahahah seriously, Bachelor of Arts in Being a Cunt, imo. Majored in being a douche with a minor in arrogance. |
Dammit. I knew I should have done this instead. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
Yes exactly--this is why I am not generalizing as I'm only discussing this in the context of school. |
Yes exactly--so am I. Professors, in the context of school, should dress professionally at their JOB. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Yes exactly--so am I. Professors, in the context of school, should dress professionally at their JOB. |
Which is at their discretion, and not at yours; or anybody else. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
Which is at their discretion, and not at yours; or anybody else. |
Well like I said, the fact that you don't take your job serious enough to dress like a professional at your job shows your lack of respect for the students who pay thousands of dollars to get a professional education. I'm not asking for a suit and tie, but I expect my professors to come to school in more than just their gym clothes. I would definitely not take a class of yours.
I like how just b/c you're a professor and have discretion to decide what to wear that you want to wear, it means that you're excused from professionalism. Maybe I'll become a professor and wear club outfits to work, or t-shirts with swear words on it. I have discretion, so I may as well. Who cares if I'm a role model :rolleyes: |
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