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2010.04.02-2010.04.03 A State of Trance 450 (ASOT 450) in New York (pg. 67)
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| Excess |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
No. It has nothing to do with *interest*. When the tickets were $30 there were no lineups announced. Thats like someone advertising: "Pay $30 for a Madison Square Garden seat, and we will tell you later who you will see."
A LOT of people dont want to pay money until they know what they are paying for, which makes sense, considering we do it with most other things we spend our money on. Unfortunately, by that time, the price had gone up :( |
the only thing is, we all had a general idea of who was possible to see when they first announced the lineup, especially with TE being already booked and definite for the same weekend.
to me, trance is trance and a big event is worth scheduling ahead of time regardless of the exact lineup |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Excess
the only thing is, we all had a general idea of who was possible to see when they first announced the lineup, especially with TE being already booked and definite for the same weekend.
to me, trance is trance and a big event is worth scheduling ahead of time regardless of the exact lineup |
thats you, not every one else. I actually didnt like 50% (or more) of who was announced in the FULL ASOT 450 lineup, so I had to wait, and so did many others. "Trance is trance" is not everyone's mentality, as some people are more specific in which DJ's they like to see.
Also, consider that not everyone is as into the scene/online forums, and those people are not checking around-the-world lineups to guesstimate who is playing in NYC. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
No. It has nothing to do with *interest*. When the tickets were $30 there were no lineups announced. Thats like someone advertising: "Pay $30 for a Madison Square Garden seat, and we will tell you later who you will see."
A LOT of people dont want to pay money until they know what they are paying for, which makes sense, considering we do it with most other things we spend our money on. Unfortunately, by that time, the price had gone up :( |
Your "explanation" still doesn't make any sense.
With any pro sporting event, you can buy tickets before the season starts. You don't know if the team will suck or not, but regardless the prices stay the same throughout the season.
When I went to see WWE in November in Pennsylvania I bought my tickets a month in advance, at the same prices that they were even at the day of the event, and I didn't know the "lineup" for the show until it started.
Any concert prices (besides EDM) stay the same when you buy them from Ticketmaster. The third party tickets (which are in high demand the days getting closer to an event) are solder for higher prices on Craigslist, Stubhub, eBay, etc.
With this concert you have the same ticket seller upping the face value of the ticket as the show gets closer. Again, outside of EDM, this doesn't happen for anything else. If I'm wrong, then let me know what areas it does.
I think the reason why they do this is because the target audience for these shows- 20 to 30-year-olds who are single and have an expendable income, don't mind burning through money and paying for overpriced tickets. Otherwise it makes no sense to raise the prices so much, because the casual fans who walk up to the box office on the day of the event and decide to go on a last-minute decision are not going to pay $80 to get through the door. |
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| AY STAR |
i kinda have mixed feelings about this whole ticket situation
when i first heard about it i got excited, but when they put tickets on sale but didnt put out the line-up i was like wtf is this?
not many past events in nyc ever did this from what i remember so it was deff kinda weird
the prices kept going up and i still didnt buy cause there was still no line-up out, finally i just said to myself "this is going to be a very rare 2 nights in nyc where alot of trance acts all spin at the same club so fuk it" and i got my tickets
it was deff kinda shady/dumb how they held out the line-up but still raised the prices
but in the end i got mine and iam excited to go |
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| yankeeBaby |
osterzone:^^I was referring to "concerts" at MSG. Im not going to pay for a ticket if I dont know who is performing. period. As are most people, as shown by the huge amount of annoyance by the prices at the time that the lineup was given.
Your explanation doesnt make sense either, because you use "buying a sports teams tickets pre-season" as your example, but you know that when you buy METS tickets, you are going the see the METS. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| AY STAR |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
but you know that when you buy METS tickets, you are going the see the METS. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
Otherwise it makes no sense to raise the prices so much, because the casual fans who walk up to the box office on the day of the event and decide to go on a last-minute decision are not going to pay $80 to get through the door. |
Unfortunately, you're very wrong here... There's a large amount of people who just go out and about and end up somewhere that particular night: no plans, no advanced tickets, no sense of who's playing, no expectations, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if something like 80% of the money/profit promoters make is from casual fans who barely know the DJ lineups for whatever particular night it is... |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Unfortunately, you're very wrong here... There's a large amount of people who just go out and about and end up somewhere that particular night: no plans, no advanced tickets, no sense of who's playing, no expectations, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if something like 80% of the money/profit promoters make is from casual fans who barely know the DJ lineups for whatever particular night it is... |
I actually saw a drunk girl come into the Ferry @ Nokia line and say "ooh there is a big line, it must be a big deal....lets end our night HERE." and proceed to drunkenly ask me what was going on inside. When I told her, she had no idea who "ferry corsten" was and said "oooh I like technooooo! this works!"
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Unfortunately, you're very wrong here... There's a large amount of people who just go out and about and end up somewhere that particular night: no plans, no advanced tickets, no sense of who's playing, no expectations, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if something like 80% of the money/profit promoters make is from casual fans who barely know the DJ lineups for whatever particular night it is... |
From New York, then maybe. Just maybe. There are a lot of singles who have money to blow so prices may not be a problem for them.
But for anyone outside of NYC, who has to do either a little or a lot of traveling, forget it. And even for the people who know about the music who live in the city that are mildly interested, I can't see them paying those prices. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Unfortunately, you're very wrong here... There's a large amount of people who just go out and about and end up somewhere that particular night: no plans, no advanced tickets, no sense of who's playing, no expectations, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if something like 80% of the money/profit promoters make is from casual fans who barely know the DJ lineups for whatever particular night it is... |
80%?? Are you kidding? Who blows $80 on a party like this and has no idea who's playing when they go at the last minute? I would highly beg to differ on that percentage, though if you're talking about a $20-30 party, of which Made throws few anymore at big venues, I'd say you could be closer. For something like this, it's more like 80% know Armin & ASOT.
For the record, I'm sure that one reason why they sell the advanced tix cheaper is for financing purposes. Low advanced tix sales = less funds for operation of the event. There are expenses that need to be paid upfront (DJ fees, venue rent, lighting, sound, etc.). Who wants to spot that much cash if they don't need to? There's also the aspect of interest. |
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| The Vza |
all im saying is that... for people to say the reason they wont buy early tickets to ASOT because they dont know what hte line up is... or even to electric zoo... come on man.
think about it. you KNOW the line up is going to be good. I mean christ almighty. were you worried that ASOT 450 might NOT have an awesome line up? I dunno. I dont get why people dont buy early tickets if you know you're gonna go anyway. cause lets face it, you know.
only reason i havent bought ezoo tix yet is cause i spent mad money on spring break and other dumb . but trust, i'll be grabbing them soon, regardless of the line up
oh yeah, and price goes up as time goes on because thats economics. supply decreases, demand increases, prices rise. i mean, you dont even need to go to school to know that one pal. i mean. duh. granted... there is the theory that if they are charging too much. then maybe no one buys the ticket, and then they make 0 dollars on a ticket they could have sold for cheaper. but i dont htink thtas a problem in manhattan |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
From New York, then yes. There are a lot of singles who have money to blow so prices aren't a problem for them. If they don't know the lineup then it's not a big deal for them.
But for anyone outside of NYC, who has to do either a little or a lot of traveling, forget it. And even for the people who know about the music who live in the city that are mildly interested, I can't see them paying those prices. |
Clubs and promoters literally THRIVE on the people that Kelly just described, just stumbling to the door and paying whatever... Because they pay double what the big trance fan paid, they have a great time, and they don't write negative reviews on the forums the next day.
When you have a $100,000 DJ fee to pay, the promoters are out to do whatever they can to pay for that and make a bit of money for their energy in organizing it.. |
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