Originally posted by Sushipunk
Psychology, not psychiatry :p
And I haven't taken drugs in 4 or 5 years :o
So, basically its worthless and you could have spent the last 4-5 years munted on medicare subsidised drugs
Sushipunk
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Originally posted by Lilith
So, basically its worthless and you could have spent the last 4-5 years munted on medicare subsidised drugs
Fair point. An undergrad degree in Psych is considered to be generally useless, career-wise :haha:
In the beginning I had an interest in counselling, but quickly figured out that it would most likely result in me killing myself (or others). Also, considering my history, I have no business telling others what is good or bad :stongue:
Scottaculous
I've been holding out for a smartphone for months. First it was the Nexus One on Verizon. After hearing all the issues with N1, I might as well wait for the Sprint HTC Evo. This phone has everything I want. I couldn't bring myself to get an Iphone because it's Apple and AT&T.
leph555
Well apparently the iPhone prototype is indeed the real thing:
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You are looking at Apple's next iPhone. It was found lost in a bar in Redwood City, camouflaged to look like an iPhone 3GS. We got it. We disassembled it. It's the real thing, and here are all the details.
While Apple may tinker with the final packaging and design of the final phone, it's clear that the features in this lost-and-found next-generation iPhone are drastically new and drastically different from what came before. Here's the detailed list of our findings:
What's new
• Front-facing video chat camera
• Improved regular back-camera (the lens is quite noticeably larger than the iPhone 3GS)
• Camera flash
• Micro-SIM instead of standard SIM (like the iPad)
• Improved display. It's unclear if it's the 960x460 display thrown around before—it certainly looks like it, with the "Connect to iTunes" screen displaying much higher resolution than on a 3GS.
• What looks to be a secondary mic for noise cancellation, at the top, next to the headphone jack
• Split buttons for volume
• Power, mute, and volume buttons are all metallic
What's changed
• The back is entirely flat, made of either glass (more likely) or shiny plastic in order for the cell signal to poke through. Tapping on the back makes a more hollow and higher pitched sound compared to tapping on the glass on the front/screen, but that could just be the orientation of components inside making for a different sound
• An aluminum border going completely around the outside
• Slightly smaller screen than the 3GS (but seemingly higher resolution)
• Everything is more squared off
• 3 grams heavier
• 16% Larger battery
• Internals components are shrunken, miniaturized and reduced to make room for the larger battery
Why we think it's definitely real
We're as skeptical—if not more—than all of you. We get false tips all the time. But after playing with it for about a week—the overall quality feels exactly like a finished final Apple phone—and disassembling this unit, there is so much evidence stacked in its favor, that there's very little possibility that it's a fake. In fact, the possibility is almost none. Imagine someone having to use Apple components to design a functioning phone, from scratch, and then disseminating it to people around the world. Pretty much impossible. Here are the reasons, one by one.
It has been reported lost
Apple-connected John Gruber—from Daring Fireball—says that Apple has indeed lost a prototype iPhone and they want it back:
So I called around, and I now believe this is an actual unit from Apple — a unit Apple is very interested in getting back.
Obviously someone found it, and here it is.
The screen
While we couldn't get it past the connect to iTunes screen for the reasons listed earlier, the USB cable on that screen was so high quality that it was impossible to discern individual pixels. We can't tell you the exact resolution of this next-generation iPhone, but it's much higher than the current iPhone 3GS.
The operating system
According to the person who found it, this iPhone was running iPhone OS 4.0 before the iPhone 4.0 announcement. The person was able to play with it and see the iPhone 4.0 features. Then, Apple remotely killed the phone before we got access to it. We were unable to restore because each firmware is device specific—3GS firmware only loads on 3GS devices—and the there are no firmwares available for this unreleased phone. Which is another clue to its authenticity.
It is recognized as an iPhone
This iPhone behaves exactly like an iPhone does when connected to a computer, with the proper boot sequence and "connect to iTunes" restore functionality. Xcode and iTunes both see this as an iPhone. Mac OS X's System Profiler also reports this as an iPhone in restore mode, which is a natural consequence of remotely wiping the phone, but report different product identifiers (both CPID and CPRV) than either the 3G or the 3GS.
It uses micro-sim
The fact that it uses a micro-sim is a clear indicator that this is a next-generation iPhone. No other cellphone uses this standard at this point in the US.
The camouflage case
The case it came inside was a fully developed plastic case to house this phone to disguise it like a 3GS. This wasn't just a normal case; it had all the proper new holes cut out for the new switches and ports and camera holes and camera flash. But it looks like something from Belkin or Case-Mate. It's a perfect disguise.
The fact that it's in the wild right now
Logic can also narrow down why this phone is this year's iPhone, rather than next year's model or one from the previous year's, just because it was found in the wild right now. It makes no sense for Apple to be testing 2011's model right now, in super finished form—they wouldn't be nearly finished with it. The phone also can't be last year's test model, because last year's model (based on the iPhone 3GS teardowns) components were way different. No micro-sim, much bigger logic board, no flash, no front camera, smaller battery and an inferior camera. That only leaves the 2010 model.
The guts, the definitive proof
And finally, when we opened it up, we saw multiple components that were clearly labeled APPLE. And, because the components were fit extremely well and extremely conformed inside the case (obvious that it was designed FOR this case), it was evident that it was not just a 3G or a 3GS transplanted into another body. That probably wouldn't even be possible, with the size constraints of the thinner device and larger battery.
The New Industrial Design
At first sight, this new iPhone's industrial design seems so different from the previous two generations that it could be discarded as just a provisional case. Even while the finish is so perfect that it feels right out of the factory, some of the design language elements that are common to all Apple products are not there. Gone is the flushed screen glass against the metal rim. Gone is the single volume button, replaced by two separate ones. Gone is the seamless rim, and gone are the tapered, curved surfaces.
Despite that, however, this design is not a departure. Not when you frame it with the rest of the Apple product line. It's all the contrary: This new iPhone gets back to the simplicity of the iMac and the iPad. In fact, you can argue that the current iPhone 3GS—with its shiny chrome rim and excessively curved back—is out of place compared to the hard edges and Dieter-Ramish utilitarianism of the iMac and the iPad. Next to the iPad, for example, the new iPhone makes sense. It has the same feeling, the same functional simplicity.
But why the black plastic back, instead of going with an unibody aluminum design? Why the two audio volume buttons? Why the seams? And why doesn't the back have any curvature at all?
Why the plastic back?
The plastic back is the most obvious of the design choices. The iPad, with its all aluminum back, has seen its Wi-Fi reception radius reduced. The 3G version comes with a large patch on the top, probably big enough to provide with good reception. But the new tiny iPhone doesn't have the luxury of space: It needs to provide with as much signal as possible using a very small surface. I'm sure Jon Ive is dying to get rid of the plastic back, and go iPad-style all the way, but the wireless reception is the most important thing in a cellphone. A necessary aesthetical-functional trade-off.
Why separate volume buttons?
This new iPhone uses separate buttons for the volume instead of the single button that you can find in the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad. It's one of the factors that may indicate that this is a provisional case, until you think about one of the most requested features for Apple's phone: A physical button for the camera. The new iPhone has a bigger sensor and a flash, which means that the camera function keeps gaining more weight. It's only logical to think that Apple may have implemented this two-button approach to provide with a physical shutter button. It makes sense.
Why the seams?
The seams are perhaps the most surprising aspect of the new design. They don't seem to respond to any aesthetic criteria and, in terms of function, we can't adventure any explanation. But they don't look bad. In fact, the whole effect seems good, like something you will find in a Braun product from the 70s.
It's doubtful that the seams are arbitrary, however. Either they will disappear from the final product, or they have a function we can't foresee at this time.
Why no tapering or curves?
As you will see in a future article, the new iPhone is so miniaturized and packed that there's no room for the tapered, curved surfaces. Everything is as tight as it could get, with no space for anything but electronics.
The hardware specs
The phone measures 4.50 by 2.31 by 0.37 inches. It weighs 140 grams. The 3GS weighs 137 grams on a postal scale (and 135 on Apple's official measurements). So, in comparison, it's 3 grams heavier. The battery is 5.25 WHr at 3.7V, compared to the 3GS battery, which is 4.51 WHr at 3.7V. On the back of the phone, it said it was XX GB, but since we were unable to get the phone to a running state, we couldn't see exactly how large it was.
How it feels
Freaking amazing. As a person who never really liked the round mound of a back in the 3GS, the sleeker, flatter, squarer design is super welcome. It feels sturdier than the 3GS, and much less plasticky. The metal buttons give it a heftier feel—less of a toy—than all previous generations. The closest analog to it would be the original iPhone, which is more square and heavy than its newer brothers.
It feels completely natural up to your face, and the fact that both the front and the back are glossy makes no difference on how well you can hold it without the phone slipping. And because it's thinner, it feels even nicer in your pants.
What all this means
Apple has updated the exterior drastically different from the 3G and 3GS. That design is old, it felt out of place compared to the rest of their products and needed desperately to be killed. Now you have a thinner body, a much more pleasant form factor with no wasted space and lots of hard lines. But the design isn't the most important part that's changed.
They've delivered many of the features people have been waiting for—that damn front camera!—while at the same time upgrading everything else. Flash, better back camera, better battery life and another microphone for better voice clarity. People who bought the 3G two years ago and are now in the perfect position to upgrade and get a dramatically different, and better, phone. If confirmed this summer, and if it performs as we expect, this next-generation iPhone looks like a winner.
C&d should be coming soon, so is the public execution of the fella that lost the prototype
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by Scottaculous
I've been holding out for a smartphone for months. First it was the Nexus One on Verizon. After hearing all the issues with N1, I might as well wait for the Sprint HTC Evo. This phone has everything I want. I couldn't bring myself to get an Iphone because it's Apple and AT&T.
The CDMA version won't have the issues because they will be fixed before it is released.
Moongoose
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
For being a phone nerd, you are throwing out some old and deprecated info. Copy/paste WILL be coming to the WM7 devices at a later date. They realised their mistake and will be adding it at some point. Same with multi-tasking ala expose on the iPhone.
Just curious, why are you hating why they are breaking with the past? They need to. I am not saying I am a big fan of their direction, but they need to deprecate old .
Except my post was made on March 18, when the offcial word from the WM7 dev team about copy/paste was still "People dont do that" :) Also, the news that it will be comming sometime later doesnt mean much does it? Because until thenno matter what may come in the future, it doesnt have it.
And my grievances with the WP7 are plenty apart from the lack of c/p. And these as far as i know MS does not intend to change. Lack of file system acces, no swappable memmory cards, no multitasking, no native coding, no customisation, everything needs to go trough the marketplace...Its like they said to themselved "OK lets take everything that people actually liked about WinMo, throw it away and replace it with something worse"
And let me take a special mention of the only available UI (since customisation is out of the window), Metro. Its crap. The home screen is full of squares that just waste space, menus only display one all per line (wtf is that about, 480x800 screen resolution and only one icon in a row), and the hubs...well at this point in time on tde devkit the hubs are preety much useless so i cant really give a fair judgement but from what ive read of the concept...i dont like it.
And i blame all this on americans. Yes, americans and your stupid service providers who only offered you phones untill the revolutionary for the american market iphone came oput and everybody who got their hands on it though they had the god by the balls, never realising that everyboday else in the world was using phones that could do preety much everything that the iphone could (and much more to that) over 5 years prior.
Now then the people at microsoft think to themselves, ing hell look at that, we've been trying all this time to meke money by providing our users plenty of options, while the real money is in the mobile eqivalent of distracting people with shiny objects.
Now far be it for me to blame MS for taking the "Hey lets make some money" route, but as a tech geek i cannot but feel dissapointed that they had to dumb the platfor down, turning what was one despite all its faults a great platform that true to its name was basically a personal computer that one could use on the go, to a social networking device that just happens to allow its users to make calls on it...and not much more.
Which can be a problem...it might just work in america, taking some customers away from the iphone, but everywhere else...were just to used to our smartphones to go back to using a simple feature phone.
leph555
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Originally posted by Moongoose
And i blame all this on americans. Yes, americans and your stupid service providers who only offered you phones untill the revolutionary for the american market iphone came oput and everybody who got their hands on it though they had the god by the balls, never realising that everyboday else in the world was using phones that could do preety much everything that the iphone could (and much more to that) over 5 years prior.
Now then the people at microsoft think to themselves, ing hell look at that, we've been trying all this time to meke money by providing our users plenty of options, while the real money is in the mobile eqivalent of distracting people with shiny objects.
Now far be it for me to blame MS for taking the "Hey lets make some money" route, but as a tech geek i cannot but feel dissapointed that they had to dumb the platfor down, turning what was one despite all its faults a great platform that true to its name was basically a personal computer that one could use on the go, to a social networking device that just happens to allow its users to make calls on it...and not much more.
Which can be a problem...it might just work in america, taking some customers away from the iphone, but everywhere else...were just to used to our smartphones to go back to using a simple feature phone.
:stongue: :stongue:
david.michael
I'll probably be getting an iPhone 3GS simply for the fact that my company has recently approved their connection to our Exchange servers, which means I can receive push e-mail/calendar/contacts from work without having to either carry two devices, or have a company Blackberry that's locked down beyond any real use.
Girlfriend's loving her Droid, though.
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by Moongoose
Except my post was made on March 18, when the offcial word from the WM7 dev team about copy/paste was still "People dont do that" :) Also, the news that it will be comming sometime later doesnt mean much does it? Because until thenno matter what may come in the future, it doesnt have it.
And my grievances with the WP7 are plenty apart from the lack of c/p. And these as far as i know MS does not intend to change. Lack of file system acces, no swappable memmory cards, no multitasking, no native coding, no customisation, everything needs to go trough the marketplace...Its like they said to themselved "OK lets take everything that people actually liked about WinMo, throw it away and replace it with something worse"
And let me take a special mention of the only available UI (since customisation is out of the window), Metro. Its crap. The home screen is full of squares that just waste space, menus only display one all per line (wtf is that about, 480x800 screen resolution and only one icon in a row), and the hubs...well at this point in time on tde devkit the hubs are preety much useless so i cant really give a fair judgement but from what ive read of the concept...i dont like it.
And i blame all this on americans. Yes, americans and your stupid service providers who only offered you phones untill the revolutionary for the american market iphone came oput and everybody who got their hands on it though they had the god by the balls, never realising that everyboday else in the world was using phones that could do preety much everything that the iphone could (and much more to that) over 5 years prior.
Now then the people at microsoft think to themselves, ing hell look at that, we've been trying all this time to meke money by providing our users plenty of options, while the real money is in the mobile eqivalent of distracting people with shiny objects.
Now far be it for me to blame MS for taking the "Hey lets make some money" route, but as a tech geek i cannot but feel dissapointed that they had to dumb the platfor down, turning what was one despite all its faults a great platform that true to its name was basically a personal computer that one could use on the go, to a social networking device that just happens to allow its users to make calls on it...and not much more.
Which can be a problem...it might just work in america, taking some customers away from the iphone, but everywhere else...were just to used to our smartphones to go back to using a simple feature phone.
I should have payed attention to the date of the post. Copy/paste function will be there. They had the article on Engadget about it. Same with multi-tasking. It won't be true milti-tasking like the current crop of WinMo devices, but really, it isn't as necessary. Everything that isn't currently active will be put in a suspended state, but still open. Push notifications will still be able to be active.
As for Metro...well..I dunno. It remains to be seen how this will turn out.
As for the coding thing, I actually agree with what they are doing. There is absolutely NO cohesion in ANY of the apps that are offered with WinMo in any way, shape or form. So you have no consistency with UI, options, etc. They need a lot of this. WinMo is by and far the most fragmented smartphone OS there is. This has to change. Even Android is pretty fragmented as it is right now. Hopefully that is going to properly change with Froyo.
But if im one of the people that uses c/p the promise that it might come around some time in the future really means nothing to me, theres no escaping the fact that when i buy the new device, i will be severely limited in how i can use it, which will in essence stop me from buying it.
And i would have to disagree about the lack of true multitasking. For some apps its essential that they be allowed to run uninterrupted in the background. Push notifications are ok for IM clients, twitter and stuff like that, but for stuff like 3rd party audio/video players and satnav for example running in the background is essential. Now a developer that wants its app to run in the background can appeal to MS for access to relevant APIs but MS has stated that they will be extra stingy with giving those out. And if you're a developer of some piece of software that competes with MS own default software...just imagine how happy they will be to help you compete with them.
As far as metro goes... browse around a bit on engadget, there were links on there to a hacked devkit that let you play with the UI enough to get a good feel about it. I didn't like it the first time i laid my eyes on the pics, as the first thing i noticed were massive amounts of wasted space on the screen, and after trying it out i can say for myself that its nowhere near as nice to use as the default android UI or HTC sense UI. I wont compare it to the iphone UI as i never found it that all that appealing.
And i do agree with you partially about how apps are coded...but only partially. Certain guidelines for more cohesion would indeed be good, but they have taken it too far with the requirement that every single app that you want released for the platform needs to be approved and distributed via the marketplace. I didnt like it when apple did it with iTunes, i like it even less now.
That, coupled with other steps back (the person who decided hat there will no file system access in WP7 needs to be shot, drowned, quartered, hanged and burned alive for his crime) really makes the new platform fall short of what a smartphone should be. The way forward should be more and better not less and worse but with a fancier UI.
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Originally posted by leph555
:stongue: :stongue:
You may laugh but im not wrong.
Chimney
The new iPhone doesn't have a larger screen? What the dude :(
leph555
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Originally posted by Chimney
The new iPhone doesn't have a larger screen? What the dude :(
it supposedly has a larger resolution, and why would you need a larger screen? how will they sell the ipads then?
