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| Comrade Stalin |
| Healthcare reform has become a the number topic of the Obama administration. Liberals want a single-payer, Canada/Europe-like, national health service. Conservatives want absolutely no government involvement. So, is a national health service really that bad? Is that REALLY the reason Brits have such bad teeth? I just recently had a hospital stay, and it cost me $200 with insurance, for one night of observation, several IV bags, antibiotics, and medical tests. Is that reasonable? Should it have been paid for in full by insurance, private or public? |
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| Lilith |
Bad compared to what?
We've seen the alternative of the US medical industry over-all and no thanks. Its hyper-inflated itself beyond the means of low income earners and up to the point where the median income earners should be very afraid of getting sick if they're in any kind of long term care.
| quote: | | Is that REALLY the reason Brits have such bad teeth? |
Same myth that all Americans are REALLY fat ham beasts. I grew up in England and Australia (both have a similar model of public health care) and I've got good teeth, anyone that doesn't obviously decided at some point they didn't care about the appearance and health of their teeth. Just as someone who eats themselves into obesity like they do in the US, doesn't bother watching their weight. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
Conservatives want less government involvement and arbitrary mandates. |
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| quote: | | So, is a national health service really that bad? Is that REALLY the reason Brits have such bad teeth? |
From last month, in one of the UK's hospitals... they're reporting on these things like crazy over there, yet our media conveniently never picks up on these stories.
The inevitable outcome of Nationalized health care:
| quote: | | Up to 1,200 needless deaths, patients abused, staff bullied to meet targets... yet a secret inquiry into failing hospital says no one's to blame |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s.html?ITO=1490
Another UK NHS hospital with declining quality leading to 70 deaths: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ays-report.html
Here, in another UK hospital, a prematurely born baby was allowed to die because new NHS rules state that babies born before 22 weeks are not allowed treatment: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...care-limit.html
The reports are endless. Rationing starts slow and creeps up... it's inevitable. |
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| Lews |
| Dude.. It's the daily ing mail. That's like quoting the national inquirer. |
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| EddieZilker |
Sucks ass!
I'm not even covered. |
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| Lilith |
An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.
Medical Newstoday
Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Death
The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000 article written by Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, shows that medical errors may be the third leading cause of death in the United States.
The report apparently shows there are 2,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery; 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals; 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals; 80,000 deaths/year from infections in hospitals; 106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medications - these total up to 225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes which ranks these deaths as the # 3 killer. Iatrogenic is a term used when a patient dies as a direct result of treatments by a physician, whether it is from misdiagnosis of the ailment or from adverse drug reactions used to treat the illness. (drug reactions are the most common cause).
Third leading cause of death in the United States.
Good job :/
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Dude.. It's the daily ing mail. That's like quoting the national inquirer. |
:haha: |
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| Moongoose |
| Our socialised medicine kills old people...just ask my grandfather...hes 96...or is it 97? i cant remember, anyway every day after luch he hits government bureaucrats who want to kill him over the head with his cane. Its a part of his doctor prescribed daily exercise. |
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
I just recently had a hospital stay, and it cost me $200 with insurance, for one night of observation, several IV bags, antibiotics, and medical tests. Is that reasonable? Should it have been paid for in full by insurance, private or public? |
$200 is the price I would pay for a dentist check up without insurance (if not even more) |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Our socialised medicine kills old people...just ask my grandfather...hes 96...or is it 97? i cant remember, anyway every day after luch he hits government bureaucrats who want to kill him over the head with his cane. Its a part of his doctor prescribed daily exercise. |
Tell him to keep fighting those death panelists. He wouldn't have to take his BIG GOV'T medicine here in the US.
He probably couldn't afford to take our private sector medicine, either. ;) |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
our healthcare system is good but is not run efficiently what so ever. To much money goes in, not enough improvement, organization and advancement comes out.
The Ehealth scandal comes to mind. |
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| Lira |
I really don't understand how Americans could be possibly discussing this. It's painfully obvious to the rest of the world that a public healthcare system would be preferable, specially if by public we mean "Cyberpunk".
Here's how it works: Every person has a microchip implanted in their brain a few minutes after they're born. This microchip has a number and a superpower. If this baby/kid/person ever needs healthcare, they'll have to fight other to-be-patients in a mortal combat. The winner is allowed to have more computer parts implanted in their body so one day some hypochondriac guy will reach the singularity we all hope for, and he'll rule the United States with a silicon fist!
Yeah!!! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
Nice non sequiturs you have going there. Deaths occur in healthcare regardless of the nature of the funding behind them.
Edit: thanks for taking the time to show the17sss what a partisan hack he is Lilith! Good work. |
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