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G20 protestors to join Tuesday drum circle (pg. 7)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Jayx, so you are saying that people shouldn't even protest against such global schemes as G20/G8/etc? |
no im not saying that at all. Y
| quote: | | We should question and/or scrutinize EVERYTHING politicians do, |
I completely agree!!
| quote: | | Gradually we are losing our voice and our participation in Canadian politics. "Designated protest zone" is one of those examples. |
I agree yet again.
| quote: | I am against globalization and this G20 crap. It is merely the annual meeting of the world's richest and most powerful for no good reasons. Or can I call it a party or a get-together? What's on their mind - saving the planet? Or making more money? Globalization does not represent my core beliefs, or the beliefs of many people (billions of poor or exploited people) and the planet. I will never trust corporations, considering that money is their BOTTOM line, and it makes more sense that instead it is a generations-old drive for global power, more money and control, and at expense of someone somewhere. Corporations and G20 (who attend on behalf of corporations) have grown so powerful they influence world decisions. Corporations dont have feelings, they dont give a about you or the planet. Or else it will affect their market share. Some politicians are happy because this G20 thing, European Union, etc. brings us closer to One World Government. For centuries there were countless leaders who wanted to rule the whole world, and that opportunity is getting closer today.
Refer to Noam Chomsky for the details, he's the greatest intellectual who wrote extensively on the political lunacy of these corporate-driven monsters.
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i dont trust anybody, but i trust centralized government power even less than i trust corporations which is why there must always be a separation of the two. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brennen
"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Benjamin Franklin
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and i quote this everytime a smoking law, pitbull ban or some other idiotic restriction of civil liberties is imposed on us for "our own good" |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Sounds like a libritarian arguement against G20 if I ever heard one.
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which is probably why i pretty much agree with everything he said |
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| Halycon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I laughed at this...what are we, China?
That said, I live across the street from the fence and sort of don't mind that people's democratic rights are being trampled on. |
since I'll be at ground zero the week leading and fall out from this. couldn't agree more skip.. that being said after listenin to you all bitch and moan about trampled right.. do I not have the right to be able to get to work and back without being stuck in a protest mob.. or it should hit the fan stuck in a riot, beaten or arrested? |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Sounds like a libritarian arguement against G20 if I ever heard one.
Also a Libritarian.
Sentinal - you don't have a clue, read a book sometime instead of the Toronto Sun. Let's be honest, will go down at G20 but that will not vindicate your argument, look up the Black Bloc. Learn about their movement (ALSO Libritarians) and realize that they represent a very small minority of the anti-globalization movement. A minority who gets the most attention for their actions. |
I'm curious does insulting me better get your point across? Kinda sadto resort to childish behavior there bud. I was half kidding about the hippies comment but I guess you dont know to know my humour.
But aside from all that if you bother to read my post carefully you would note the part where I said the security is absolutly necessary. Those Black Bloc and other likeminded individuals seek to do nothing but promote anarchy and lawlessness. They cannot be allowed anywhere near the convention centre. For the protection of the world leaders, Canadas image, and the protection of torontos citizens these measure must be taken. There are non-violent protesters, I understand that, but there violent ones, people that would cloak themselves to push their individual ideologies. |
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| PivotTechno |
Sentinal, this is what you yourself are protesting against:
| quote: | In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.
Benjamin Franklin - Speech to the Constitutional Convention (28 June 1787) |
You are essentially asking the government to protect you from your fellow citizenry, the majority of whom are speaking out to protect your basic rights as a citizen as they are outlined in the Canadian Charter.
Sure, today you may not have much concern for your own freedom of Peaceful Assembly and the right to express yourself, but what if down the road, you or someone close to you loses their means to make a living and are told there's no one to voice your complaints to...nothing that can be done about it, too bad, sort it out for yourself...and if you do try to complain about it, we're going to make life exceedingly difficult for you - what then?
The people that are protesting now and who will be doing so at the G20 Summit - hippies, anarchists, the whole lot of 'em - are doing so in hopes that government-imposed restrictions that are supposedly for the good of the masses but in actuality are only of benefit to a very small group of people, never reach the doorstep of someone like yourself.
Unfortunately, we're already well past that point in the game. |
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| Abercrombie |
I find it hard to believe that people think the security is way over the top. It's as if people don't believe the violence, anarchy, fires and valdalism just won't happen in this city.
There is no doubt that it will.
inb4itolduso |
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| PivotTechno |
It would send such a powerful message if this were to be a completely non-violent protest, but we've become so fractured in our societal goals and interests that getting everyone on the same page is a pipe dream.
Divide and conquer. |
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| DeleteFromUsers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
freedom of speech?
Freedom of speech in this country is an illusion to most in Canada |
Actually, you're the only one that mentioned free speech (referred to as "Freedom of Expression" in Canada).
Thanks for your valuable contribution to this discussion, Jayx1! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers
Actually, you're the only one that mentioned free speech (referred to as "Freedom of Expression" in Canada).
Thanks for your valuable contribution to this discussion, Jayx1! |
its amazing how delusional most canadians are about freedom of expression. Until they actually exercise it that is.
My mistake was trying to do just that. I almost got the beat down twice and one of my promoters got just that! |
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| DeleteFromUsers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
My mistake was trying to do just that. I almost got the beat down twice and one of my promoters got just that! |
So... What? |
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