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more *******ing about 'tech house' and 'grand theft culture' (pg. 3)
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| stevö |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel
at the end of the day, who really cares. Aber has never really done anything original anyways. A few decent tracks here and there, but generally just paint by numbers stuff. |
normally id agree with you, and your point would apply to many an argument on here, but this is about more than shlomi aber, this is about race and culture. i think its a touchy subject that gets ignored and avoided with edm, but its there and needs to be talked about more. it needs to get out there in the open so it can be dealt with. because then we can put a spotlight on the part of edm that is not genuine. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel
at the end of the day, who really cares. Aber has never really done anything original anyways. A few decent tracks here and there, but generally just paint by numbers stuff. |
The point is, in this case he's using black paint, and what he's doing here is something that I think is systemic and actually rather unjust |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevö
normally id agree with you, and your point would apply to many an argument on here, but this is about more than shlomi aber, this is about race and culture. i think its a touchy subject that gets ignored and avoided with edm, but its there and needs to be talked about more. it needs to get out there in the open so it can be dealt with. because then we can put a spotlight on the part of edm that is not genuine. |
so, now, this is racist, but if black people do it, it's an homage? :rolleyes:
let's please not go down that road. it doesn't have to do with race--it has to do with originality. |
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| Goebbel Goebbel |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
The point is, in this case he's using black paint, and what he's doing here is something that I think is systemic and actually rather unjust |
i don't see it that way at all.
when the marines show ads with people wearing camouflage makeup in their , would you say that they are using blackface?
I see where you are coming from adam, i just think that the blackface argument is grasping at straws. |
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| pozz |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
so, now, this is racist, but if black people do it, it's an homage? :rolleyes:
let's please not go down that road. it doesn't have to do with race--it has to do with originality. |
you're right about that. but even still, it's not only about music. the music has taken a back seat to the image these guys are trying to make for themselves.
of course when you listen to the music it stands by itself, but when you consider why it's made and who it's made for then the story changes.
there's obviously problems even with the above argument, because its easy to imagine that he is doing it out of love for the culture and the sound.
imagine if Shlomi Aber had the same cover made with "Tel Aviv Days/ Haifa Nights" printed instead. Not really as credible.
i'm not entirely sure with what to think, but when i see the album cover and what it references so loudly then i tend to lean towards nefardec's view. |
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| pozz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
I mean whether the music is good or not is irrelevant. I am pretty upset that MR. Aber has foregone any real originality for the sake of this particular theme. I wish he didn't, because it's ing lame, and could turn people away from hearing what are actually some decent tunes. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I can fully buy into the idea that Aber is metaphorically using blackface, but the idea that this album cover is literally supposed to make him appear black for credibility is utterly ludicrous. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I can fully buy into the idea that Aber is metaphorically using blackface, but the idea that this album cover is literally supposed to make him appear black for credibility is utterly ludicrous. |
So what is the concept communicated by his cover to you?
Just wanted to darken his face because it looked cool? Maybe he meant to call his album 'Dark Lights' or one of the tracks was supposed to be called 'Scratchy Photo'
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| Adam420 |
I'd say it's more of a dark/grimy/industrial theme that has to do with techno rather than black culture. Again, refer to the picture of Ben Klock that I posted. Len Faki also has one but I can't seem to find it.
Trust me, Adam. This is a case of bad taste and lack of originality more than anything else. The Detroit/Chicago thing is purely from an electronic music perspective and has little or nothing to do with African American culture itself. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
I'd say it's more of a dark/grimy/industrial theme that has to do with techno rather than black culture. Again, refer to the picture of Ben Klock that I posted. Len Faki also has one but I can't seem to find it.
Trust me, Adam. This is a case of bad taste and lack of originality more than anything else. The Detroit/Chicago thing is purely from an electronic music perspective and has little or nothing to do with African American culture itself. |
I don't know about that. I find it telling that he actually calls a track "Black Funk Hi" on the album.
Maybe I am hypersensitive to these things because I am a graphic designer and art director.
Also check out this guy, Alex Niggemann (Alias Alex '******mann')
http://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/alexniggemann
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Alex+Niggemann?anv=Alex+******mann
And his label "Soulfooled"
And let's not forget this jackass who is piggybacking off of Kenny Dixon Jr.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Moodymanc
"his name is a tribute to Moodymann" :haha:
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| Adam420 |
lol. As far as Alex Niggemann goes, well, that's his real name so I guess he can't help it.
As for Moodymannc, I thought that had something to do with being from Manchester? He's a very solid producer though. |
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| enydo |
| honkies should just stay away from music. |
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