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Toronto Elections Oct 25 2010 - Who are YOU voting for? (pg. 12)
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
It boggles my mind how entitled people feel they are. |
Et tu, x1? |
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| Yohan |
Very interesting discussion... What is the rights of a permanent resident? Should there be a distinction between a citizen and permanent residents who pays taxes?
If permanent residents should get voting rights at municipal level, why not all the way to federal? After all, their taxes fund federal govt spending, no?
On other hand, should people who may or may not have best interest of Canada have power to make decisions that can change Canada? Then again, just how many people vote for altruistic reasons? Most seems to vote for selfish reasons, to get the most benefits out of the govt...
Let's just deport Kristina. I think that's the easy solution :p |
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| Yohan |
On further thought, this is my opinion.
For permanent residents, government services are like a store. You have variety of goods and services available to you that you can purchase, and you can buy these goods and services with taxes. If you don't like what's available to you, you are more than welcome to move to another country.
PS: dear CSIS, I think Kristina is an another hot Russkie spy. Deport her! :p |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
it just occured to me. everyone who's not a citizen is riding the damn gravy train. |
Ah!
I see what you did there... |
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| shagnew13 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I guess you're not thinking outside the box - also I don't expect citizens to agree with a permanent resident, oh well.. It's not like I'm trying to take away something from you, I'm just suggesting that certain rights could be extended to us as well
You can't just go ahead and become a citizen - it's a lengthy process, but I'm on my way! When I just became landed, voting was the last thing on my mind, but 2 years down the road and I'm really getting more and more informed about the local politics (as I'm sure, other people are as well) |
Glad to hear your on your way to becoming a Citizen |
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| shagnew13 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Street car is painfully slow. Thats why im always trying to drive around them.
The smart way to keep streetcars TBH would be to make streets one way and put a right of way on the right side of the street. This would be way more efficient safer. Also would be a less obstructive form of construction. Having said this though, a bus works just as well and i think we should have more one way streets regardless. |
I don't get why Street cars are in the middle of the road. It blocks traffic, slows it down, its beyond me why they didn't treat them like buses and put the tracks on the left. Get rid of Street parking where street cars run, create more parking for these street parkers.
I guess there would be alot of construction involved in trying to rip up all the tracks and put them on the left. But I think it would help if they were on the right side of the roads. Just dont know if it can be done. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
On further thought, this is my opinion.
For permanent residents, government services are like a store. You have variety of goods and services available to you that you can purchase, and you can buy these goods and services with taxes. If you don't like what's available to you, you are more than welcome to move to another country.
PS: dear CSIS, I think Kristina is an another hot Russkie spy. Deport her! :p |
lol yes let's just blame me :sadgreen: |
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| Abercrombie |
| Let's look at it this way... It's all like getting a drivers license... You get your learners permit first... you can renew it as long as you want and still drive with limited capacity... but a full drivers license will give you all the priveledges. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
lol yes let's just blame me :sadgreen: |
it's the easiest solution!:D |
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| Sentinal |
| IMO Funkycrew is far more Canadian than some "Canadians" that cant even speak the damn language(s). It is a slippy slope when it comes to voting rights. |
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| The Potter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
If permanent residents should get voting rights at municipal level, why not all the way to federal? After all, their taxes fund federal govt spending, no?
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It is the all-or-nothing aspect that strikes me as perverse, which is why there is room for improvement, whilst still retaining the allure of citizenship: there can be some sort of graduated system, and some more rights being extended, with the incentive to become a citizen still remaining.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
For permanent residents, government services are like a store. You have variety of goods and services available to you that you can purchase, and you can buy these goods and services with taxes. If you don't like what's available to you, you are more than welcome to move to another country.
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It should not quite work like that in a democracy. I was anticipating that someone might try to make this argument. If you happen to live in a totalitarian regime, where you cannot effect change through your vote, your point would make more sense, as the only way to change the way your taxes are spent would be to move elsewhere. Just like for every Canadian who voted in the recent elections (and for that matter, every voter in the world since the birth of democracies), the freedom to shop around and choose pertains to selecting amongst a range of candidates; therefore, in the analogy, I took care to identify the shop/shopkeeper as the election candidate, not as the country.
When people are on the 'outside', if, out of all the countries that they could have selected, they chose Canada as the place to build their lives, people clearly like the country. Once that stage of the shopping is complete (maybe analagous to deciding between which mall to shop in), they are at the same stage as current citizens. Once they are in the country and on the 'inside', just like for current citizens, the choice of country is no longer the main issue; at this inner level of the decision-making process, it is now neccesary to effect change through the choice of government. Note the important distinction between liking a country, but not necessarily liking the government.
Based on your analogy, in the recent election, even if a citizen loved Toronto/Canada and just wanted the best for it, they would not have been able shop around amongst the various candidates, and collectively choose Rob Ford to further improve life here; instead, everyone would just have to move to another country. |
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| StereoPrincess |
From the Torontoist.
Just as I thought. The ing burbs chose our mayor. Not the city.
The City of Toronto has released their full, official election results. Despite Rob Ford's election night assertion that Toronto is united, not divided, the voting statistics suggest a different, and stark, picture: downtown wards overwhelmingly backed George Smitherman, and suburban wards overwhelmingly backed Rob Ford. [UPDATE, OCTOBER 28, 2:00 PM: A map showing how strong each ward's winning candidate's support was is below. 2:15 PM ...as is a version of the map above that's optimized for colourblind readers.]
Here's the way the vote for mayor went in each of the city's forty-four wards:
Ward 1, Etobicoke North
Rob Ford: 9,435 (69.1%)
George Smitherman: 2,131 (15.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 742 (5.4%)
Total votes: 13,652
Ward 2, Etobicoke North
Rob Ford: 14,325 (79.6%)
George Smitherman: 2,098 (11.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 864 (4.8%)
Total votes: 17,996
Ward 3, Etobicoke Centre
Rob Ford: 12,913 (65.2%)
George Smitherman: 4,704 (23.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,563 (7.9%)
Total votes: 19,812
Ward 4, Etobicoke Centre
Rob Ford: 14,573 (68.1%)
George Smitherman: 4,728 (22.1%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,457 (6.8%)
Total votes: 21,415
Ward 5, Etobicoke-Lakeshore
Rob Ford: 13,789 (56.4%)
George Smitherman: 7,673 (31.4%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,170 (8.9%)
Total votes: 24,452
Ward 6, Etobicoke-Lakeshore
Rob Ford: 11,915 (57.3%)
George Smitherman: 5,894 (28.4%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,110 (10.2%)
Total votes: 20,785
Ward 7, York West
Rob Ford: 7,041 (57.7%)
George Smitherman: 2,233 (18.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,640 (13.4%)
Total votes: 12,206
Ward 8, York West
Rob Ford: 5,303 (47.6%)
George Smitherman: 2,509 (22.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,439 (12.9%)
Total votes: 11,149
Ward 9, York Centre
Rob Ford: 7,045 (57.1%)
George Smitherman: 2,155 (17.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,948 (15.8%)
Total votes: 1,2343
Ward 10, York Centre
Rob Ford: 9,772 (57.7%)
George Smitherman: 4,458 (26.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,494 (8.8%)
Total votes: 16,944
Ward 11, York South-Weston
Rob Ford: 9,619 (59.7%)
George Smitherman: 3,511 (21.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,920 (11.9%)
Total votes: 16,112
Ward 12, York South-Weston
Rob Ford: 7,536 (55.7%)
George Smitherman: 2,747 (20.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,979 (14.6%)
Total votes: 13,538
Ward 13, Parkdale-High Park
Rob Ford: 7,679 (34.7%)
George Smitherman: 10,232 (46.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,599 (16.3%)
Total votes: 22,127
Ward 14, Parkdale-High Park
Rob Ford: 4,788 (27.6%)
George Smitherman: 7,949 (45.9%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,882 (22.4%)
Total votes: 17,336
Ward 15, Eglinton-Lawrence
Rob Ford: 8,928 (52.8%)
George Smitherman: 4,282 (25.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,388 (14.1%)
Total votes: 16,897
Ward 16, Eglinton-Lawrence
Rob Ford: 8,074 (40.8%)
George Smitherman: 9,505 (50.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,772 (8.9%)
Total votes: 19,810
Ward 17, Davenport
Rob Ford: 6,006 (41.7%)
George Smitherman: 4,407 (30.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,975 (20.7%)
Total votes: 14,399
Ward 18, Davenport
Rob Ford: 3,973 (27.5%)
George Smitherman: 5,697 (39.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,756 (26.0%)
Total votes: 14,422
Ward 19, Trinity-Spadina
Rob Ford: 4,630 (22.2%)
George Smitherman: 9,732 (46.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 5,801 (27.8%)
Total votes: 20,882
Ward 20, Trinity-Spadina
Rob Ford: 5,476 (23.2%)
George Smitherman: 13,151 (55.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 4,129 (17.5%)
Total votes: 23,614
Ward 21, St. Paul's
Rob Ford: 5,818 (32.2%)
George Smitherman: 8,979 (49.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,602 (14.4%)
Total votes: 18,056
Ward 22, St. Paul's
Rob Ford: 7,903 (32.3%)
George Smitherman: 13,411 (54.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,443 (10.0%)
Total votes: 24,454
Ward 23, Willowdale
Rob Ford: 10,959 (49.2%)
George Smitherman: 8,055 (36.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,181 (9.8%)
Total votes: 22,264
Ward 24, Willowdale
Rob Ford: 9,670 (52.6%)
George Smitherman: 6,181 (33.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,565 (8.5%)
Total votes: 18,391
Ward 25, Don Valley West
Rob Ford: 9,865 (46.4%)
George Smitherman: 9,138 (43.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,639 (7.7%)
Total votes: 21,241
Ward 26, Don Valley West
Rob Ford: 8,322 (41.8%)
George Smitherman: 8,272 (41.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,647 (8.3%)
Total votes: 19,915
Ward 27, Toronto Centre-Rosedale
Rob Ford: 7,068 (25.1%)
George Smitherman: 17,335 (61.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,909 (10.3%)
Total votes: 28,176
Ward 28, Toronto Centre-Rosedale
Rob Ford: 4,937 (23.7%)
George Smitherman: 12,513 (60.1%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,414 (11.6%)
Total votes: 20,819
Ward 29, Toronto-Danforth
Rob Ford: 6,493 (36.3%)
George Smitherman: 7,658 (42.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,863 (16.0%)
Total votes: 17,899
Ward 30, Toronto-Danforth
Rob Ford: 5,106 (25.8%)
George Smitherman: 10,492 (53.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,341 (16.9%)
Total votes: 19,797
Ward 31, Beaches-East York
Rob Ford: 7,942 (43.7%)
George Smitherman: 6,459 (35.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,889 (15.9%)
Total votes: 18,165
Ward 32, Beaches-East York
Rob Ford: 7,639 (32.4%)
George Smitherman: 11,812 (50.1%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,440 (14.6%)
Total votes: 23,576
Ward 33, Don Valley East
Rob Ford: 7,525 (52.3%)
George Smitherman: 4,465 (31.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,435 (10.0%)
Total votes: 14,388
Ward 34, Don Valley East
Rob Ford: 8,581 (51.6%)
George Smitherman: 5,403 (32.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,669 (10.0%)
Total votes: 16,626
Ward 35, Scarborough Southwest
Rob Ford: 9,390 (55.8%)
George Smitherman: 4,288 (25.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,880 (11.2%)
Total votes: 16,835
Ward 36, Scarborough Southwest
Rob Ford: 9,606 (52.8%)
George Smitherman: 5,682 (31.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,096 (11.5%)
Total votes: 18,201
Ward 37, Scarborough Centre
Rob Ford: 10,809 (58.3%)
George Smitherman: 4,892 (26.4%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,695 (9.1%)
Total votes: 18,548
Ward 38, Scarborough Centre
Rob Ford: 10,509 (57.4%)
George Smitherman: 5,107 (27.9%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,427 (7.8%)
Total votes: 18,297
Ward 39, Scarborough-Agincourt
Rob Ford: 9,519 (63.7%)
George Smitherman: 3,438 (23.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 853 (5.7%)
Total votes: 14,954
Ward 40, Scarborough-Agincourt
Rob Ford: 10,094 (59.1%)
George Smitherman: 4,208 (24.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,410 (8.3%)
Total votes: 17,086
Ward 41, Scarborough-Rouge River
Rob Ford: 11,382 (62.0%)
George Smitherman: 4,638 (25.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 949 (5.2%)
Total votes: 18,363
Ward 42, Scarborough-Rouge River
Rob Ford: 10,071 (49.2%)
George Smitherman: 6,798 (33.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,259 (6.1%)
Total votes: 20,474
Ward 43, Scarborough East
Rob Ford: 8,818 (55.7%)
George Smitherman: 4,557 (33.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,332 (6.1%)
Total votes: 15,818
Ward 44, Scarborough East
Rob Ford: 12,660 (58.1%)
George Smitherman: 6,262 (28.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,916 (8.8%)
Total votes: 21,780
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