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Toronto Elections Oct 25 2010 - Who are YOU voting for? (pg. 9)
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by TO guy
I agree, the municipal elections should be more "resident" focused than "citizen." |
exactly.. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TO guy
I agree, the municipal elections should be more "resident" focused than "citizen." |
maybe we should just get rid of canadian citizenship if it means so little. If people dont want to make that commitment to canada why should canada make that commitment to them? |
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| Jayx1 |
Ford is saying that not ALL streetcars are going away. And he said that during the election too. St Clair and Spadina are here to stay. And the streetcar phase out will be over 10 years. Also there wont be a streetcar transit city. I remember him clearly saying that. I know the star is omitting this part from their report. But here is something i found in the national post.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/1...uncillor-elect/ |
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| TO guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
maybe we should just get rid of canadian citizenship if it means so little. If people dont want to make that commitment to canada why should canada make that commitment to them? |
Canadian cizitzenship entails many rights - voting in a municipal election is only one of them.
You note that business owners may vote in the riding of their business - the business is not a citizen of Canada and should not be entitled to a vote. Allowing the business owner (presumably a citizen) to vote in that riding confers more of a resident requirement than citizenship requirement to the vote. |
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| shagnew13 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TO guy
Canadian cizitzenship entails many rights - voting in a municipal election is only one of them.
You note that business owners may vote in the riding of their business - the business is not a citizen of Canada and should not be entitled to a vote. Allowing the business owner (presumably a citizen) to vote in that riding confers more of a resident requirement than citizenship requirement to the vote. |
I am a Canadian citizen, I lived in New York for 12 years, I was a legal resident. I couldn't vote because I needed to become a citizen of the U.S. For me to become a Citizen of the U.S. I would have to give up my Canadian Citizenship because the U.S does not recognize dual. Where as Canada does, voting is a privilage given to the Country's citizens, if you want to vote in elections either way I say become a Citizen.
The laws for voting were put in place for a reason, and if you can't abide by the laws then you can't vote, just like I couldn't in the states. If you want to vote, follow the law and become a citizen.
Was I pissed I couldn't vote in the states, sure, but I would never give up my Canadian Citizenship for anything. Also if I had become a Citizen of the States, I could have been any elected official in the country besides President. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TO guy
Canadian cizitzenship entails many rights - voting in a municipal election is only one of them.
You note that business owners may vote in the riding of their business - the business is not a citizen of Canada and should not be entitled to a vote. Allowing the business owner (presumably a citizen) to vote in that riding confers more of a resident requirement than citizenship requirement to the vote. |
the business owner still must be a canadian. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shagnew13
I am a Canadian citizen, I lived in New York for 12 years, I was a legal resident. I couldn't vote because I needed to become a citizen of the U.S. For me to become a Citizen of the U.S. I would have to give up my Canadian Citizenship because the U.S does not recognize dual. Where as Canada does, voting is a privilage given to the Country's citizens, if you want to vote in elections either way I say become a Citizen.
The laws for voting were put in place for a reason, and if you can't abide by the laws then you can't vote, just like I couldn't in the states. If you want to vote, follow the law and become a citizen.
Was I pissed I couldn't vote in the states, sure, but I would never give up my Canadian Citizenship for anything. Also if I had become a Citizen of the States, I could have been any elected official in the country besides President. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
maybe we should just get rid of canadian citizenship if it means so little. If people dont want to make that commitment to canada why should canada make that commitment to them? |
relax
the only difference between citizens and landed immigrants is the right to vote - otherwise we have exactly the same obligations and duties as everyone else, including paying the same ty taxes, and having the right to health care, as well as being recognized as domestic students in universities - wouldn't it make sense for us to get something back in return?
we are no less Canadian then you are..
I'm only speculating, I'm not saying I'm entittled to it - but it would be great, I would def exercise my right to vote this year..
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
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lol how so? you only read and see what you want to see Jay |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
relax
the only difference between citizens and landed immigrants is the right to vote - otherwise we have exactly the same obligations and duties as everyone else, including paying the same ty taxes, and having the right to health care, as well as being recognized as domestic students in universities - wouldn't it make sense for us to get something back in return? |
you dont think you get something back in return? The fact that as you say that you have the same rights as citizens? Id say thats a lot of something in return wouldnt you?
| quote: | | we are no less Canadian then you are.. |
actually you are less canadian than me by virtue that i am actually a canadian and you legally are not. Get citizenship and you would now be as much a canadian as i am ;)
Imagine i showed up in the ukraine, didnt get citizenship and started telling everyone i was ukrainian. LOL!
| quote: | | I'm only speculating, I'm not saying I'm entittled to it - but it would be great, I would def exercise my right to vote this year.. |
it would be great. But you arent entitled to it and shouldnt be. Get citizenship and ill support your right to vote 100%
lol how so? you only read and see what you want to see Jay [/QUOTE] |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Imagine i showed up in the ukraine, didnt get citizenship and started telling everyone i was ukrainian. LOL! |
oh yeah, I've only lived here for over 7 years, spent a fortune on education and taxes :) I didn't just "show up" here and demand things, you know..
to me it seems strange that, for example, my roommate can vote twice at the municipal elections - once here in Toronto as per her lease/residence and in Niagara Falls where she's registered and "lives" with her parents.. |
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| shagnew13 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
relax
the only difference between citizens and landed immigrants is the right to vote - otherwise we have exactly the same obligations and duties as everyone else, including paying the same ty taxes, and having the right to health care, as well as being recognized as domestic students in universities - wouldn't it make sense for us to get something back in return?
we are no less Canadian then you are..
I'm only speculating, I'm not saying I'm entittled to it - but it would be great, I would def exercise my right to vote this year..
lol how so? you only read and see what you want to see Jay |
Get something back in return? I am a Canadian Citizen, I pay taxes, I have health care, and I can go to University yet I get nothing back in return from Canada?
You are less Canadian by virtue because you are not a Citizen, become a Citizen and you will become Canadian.
I was in the States 12 years, I was never entitled to anything, the Government never gave me anything. I never considered myself American by any stretch even though I paid taxes, I had to pay for my own health care etc. in the States.
Just because you think by being a Resident, landed immigrant etc, or whatever you want to call it, that you are entitled to the same recognition from a voting standpoint is absurd. Become a citizen and you will be entitled to the same laws as Citizens.
And legally I do not think your friend can do that, by law but I may be wrong. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by shagnew13
Get something back in return? I am a Canadian Citizen, I pay taxes, I have health care, and I can go to University yet I get nothing back in return from Canada?
You are less Canadian by virtue because you are not a Citizen, become a Citizen and you will become Canadian.
I was in the States 12 years, I was never entitled to anything, the Government never gave me anything. I never considered myself American by any stretch even though I paid taxes, I had to pay for my own health care etc. in the States.
Just because you think by being a Resident, landed immigrant etc, or whatever you want to call it, that you are entitled to the same recognition from a voting standpoint is absurd. Become a citizen and you will be entitled to the same laws as Citizens.
And legally I do not think your friend can do that, by law but I may be wrong. |
it's hardly absurd - in fact I won't be surprised if this will change in the next decade or so, precisely because of people like me are voicing this
a lot of things have changed for landed immigrants/permanent residents as is - esp. in regards to health care, for example..
once again I didn't say I think I'm entitled, I said it would be great because of x, y and z (my length of stay here, received education, have a job + taxes, etc)
bringing in American example doesn't prove anything - their citizenship and immigration laws and regulations are different to ours |
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