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Andy Blueman throws in the towel for trance (pg. 7)
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by G-Con
I think you must be one of an incredibly small minority of producers who make music that is in a style they rarely enjoy listening to.
In fact, were it not for you, I wouldn't have believed there could be producers like you. Bizarre! |
I like what uplifting trance can be but really don't like what most artists do with it. That video posted a while ago of the similarities between trance melodies where there's a collection of about 100 tracks that all have the same rhythm and movement is just embarrassing to me. I actually really enjoy writing and producing uplifting tracks but so much of the genre is boring and uninspired, it gives people a negative attitude towards the genre as a whole when there are some extremely good hidden gems amongst the disposable that gets so much airplay.
Problem is most of those gems rely on songwriting to stand out from the crowd since the "sound" of uplifting trance is usually so similar between artists. People don't pay enough attention to the actual songwriting, it's all technical and dependent on the quality of the mix and innovative sound design that all of the gorgeous melodies and progressions in uplifting trance are wasted on anyone not willing to give it a chance.
But then you get the "well why should that matter? You're supposed to dance to trance, not 'appreciate the songwriting'" argument which just ing bothers me. I don't know why people can't just like what they like without letting their preferences dictate what they perceive to be "right" and "wrong" in trance. You like danceable, catchy tracks, good for you, but that doesn't give you the right to say people like me or Blueman or whoever are out of our minds for not paying attention to aspects like those when we make music. It's a conscious choice, not an accidental mistake, and we're not inferior producers because of it. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Well I understand your point palm and at least you stay true to the purist way of life.
I just think its a bit too convenient to assume that greed is one of his major motivators. I mean greed is a byproduct of survival, which is a natural human instinct, so its hard for me to bash anyone really on those grounds.
I'd rather raise the flag on the people who are actively implementing shady business practice and driving industries to a monopoly rather than someone like blueman whos had rather modest beginings. I mean the guy came into the scene with no real studio, and no formal training at all... not even a midi keyboard. Just a pc and some software. And managed to create quite a stir with his first release in 2007. Thats pretty inspiring as far as I'm concerned, and I love how some people call his music "generic" while others would claim he paved a fresh path for trance with his focus on classical/film scores breaks.
I just found it refreshing compared to some of the other crap artists are doing like SHM and their recycled garbage (different genre but still). And his biggest compliment to trance imo is really not overstaying his welcome like tiesto/buren and some other well known greedy s have done.
I don't know I think my point is theres just other artists much more deserving of that greedy arguement than blueman. Maybe he IS going to film score for money, but he's also taking a huge risk considering he has no real training for it. With that considered it sounds more like he's making that move because film score has been a longstanding dream of his, (before trance) and with the risk considered, it sounds like a move based more on passion than greed. |
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| Kysora |
If I remember correctly almost all of his original tracks are trance reworks of orchestral pieces he'd written beforehand. Film scores were his original passion and inspiration and I'm sure he just wants to see if he can use the publicity he's gotten with uplifting trance to get some offers to do film scores instead.
I'm having a hard time believing that he's in it for money. If he wanted to make money he wouldn't be pursuing two genres that are extremely hard to actually make good money writing for.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Thats pretty inspiring as far as I'm concerned, and I love how some people call his music "generic" while others would claim he paved a fresh path for trance with his focus on classical/film scores breaks. |
That's because it doesn't matter what's in the breakdown, just the fact that the beat disappears for longer than 30 seconds makes most people think the track is suddenly generic tripe.
He did something new and he inspired a lot of artists to follow suit, including myself, nothing he's done was done to the same caliber before him as far as I'm concerned. Except maybe Aly & Fila, but even they didn't go as far with breakdowns as he did. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
I never gave you the school stuff. I'm a big supporter of getting a degree to help you in your career. , I'm doing postgrad next year for gods sake.
But...if you turned up somewhere with 10 years experience in a relevant field, without a degree, you think any decent recruiters would give a ? They would not. If they do, you don't want to work there anyway. |
The problem is, how do think you're going to get 10 years worth of experience in orchestration or scoring, to then go and get a job as a composer?
The answer is you can't (with a few very rare exceptions).
There are less that 100 composers on the planet who between them get 95% of all the film score work. It is incredibly competitive and they hang on to gigs tooth claw and nail - , I've even witnessed some of the very big names take gigs for free just to stop the jobs going to new blood.
Just look at the likes of the big EDM names who have tried to get in to score who have failed.
I'm not trying to discourage people but I've seen it - engineering is a different thing. You can start with little to no technical knowledge and slowly work your way up. I will say slower than others who do have even an audio engineering diploma but none the less it can all be learnt on the job.
Composing is a completely different thing though - I can only name one major composer who didn't have formal training/advanced education in and he did it years ago, is naturally incredibly talented and by his own admission, incredibly lucky.
I see junior composers with very serious educations from major schools and decades of training, really struggling with the complexities of scoring and these guys can literally wipe the floor with any EDM artist in terms of musical talent or knowledge.....it's so much harder and more complex than people think it is.
I actually haven't even read the blog post from Andy Blueman about this - I just assumed that scoring was what he wanted to get in to because of the "score music" attempt video posted in this thread and now I see from Robby's post that what he wants to do....
....so yes, I may be cynical but that doesn't mean I'm wrong ;) |
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| Kysora |
To be frank I think Andy Blueman has no aspirations of scoring some major blockbuster or anything, and I don't think he expects to break into an industry that so obviously demands professional training and an extensive understanding of music that he probably doesn't have.
That being said you can't say he's bad at what he does, whether you enjoy it or not is a personal matter but the guy is talented, and whatever he can get I'm sure he'd enjoy working with. If nothing else he has trance to fall back on, which I'm sure he will. I can't imagine someone as musically talented as him just giving up if film scoring doesn't turn out good. He'll do something one way or another, but whatever he does I doubt it'll be motivated with money. |
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| Evolve140 |
Sonicvibe is done with trance, too. Probably old news though. I am too for the most part. Listening and producing. I was never a very good "uplifting trance" producer, never got all the elements nailed. I appreciate solid releases and respect the producers tremendously, but I'm "over it" for the most part. Would I be bored at an all trance party? No way, I would feel at home. Sounds conflicted? It is. lol
I think it's interesting someone can do so well with something and not want to continue, but he is probably just at a personal crossroads. I doubt he will quit music because living with the guilt of wasting talent is the worst. his honesty is good though |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
It seems like every "experienced" producer in here has a knack for bashing people who have blown up in some way and refering to their music as "generic" or what they do for a living as something a 5 year old could do.
No matter what, its always mostly negative degrading bs. I've heard your own work mystery, and if blueman is "generic tripe" your music is the maggots that feed off my as it rots in the summer heat. |
Like I said, I still don't have an idea who this guy is, so it's pretty strange you would call me out on this - especially when it's something I can't even remember saying. I don't know why you keep referencing to me when I haven't even talked to you at any point in this thread.
Not that I really give two s on what you think about me or my music. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Like I said, I still don't have an idea who this guy is, so it's pretty strange you would call me out on this - especially when it's something I can't even remember saying. I don't know why you keep referencing to me when I haven't even talked to you at any point in this thread.
Not that I really give two s on what you think about me or my music. |
Its apparent that you don't remember or know a lot of things. And its also apparent that the phrases "I don't care" or "I don't give a " reside pretty highly in your vocabulary.
Also, theres nothing to "know" about why I referenced you. Unless you're living in some imaginary era of slavery, people are allowed to speak w/out being spoken to.
The way you talk reminds me exactly of my 15 year old diehard emo cousin. We'll be having a conversation about something he doesn't know anything about, and he comes into the conversation and says "I don't know x and why should I care?"
Encase you also don't care, that was your first remark coming into this thread, and then for whatever reason you've managed to make that remark 3 times now in various forms.
I'm sure this is heartbreaking for you to hear, but the last thing anyone thinks before they make a thread on this forum is "hmm I wonder if mystery will care". Ergo, there is 0 reason for you to come into this thread even 1 time to remark "I don't know who blueman is, and I don't know why I should care". The mind here is WHY you would care enough to come into this thread in the first place just to post that useless .
So anyway, I'm happy you don't care, but I also don't care about rap music, and I'm sure as hell not clicking into random threads about it to ask people why I should care about it. Unlesssss of course, I just wanted to sound emo, then yeh I might do that. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Its apparent that you don't remember or know a lot of things. And its also apparent that the phrases "I don't care" or "I don't give a " reside pretty highly in your vocabulary. |
And you know that because you've seen me say so in exactly one thread?
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Also, theres nothing to "know" about why I referenced you. Unless you're living in some imaginary era of slavery, people are allowed to speak w/out being spoken to. |
I'd just like to know why you're obviously trying to get me riled up by poking me pointlessly or trying lame personal insults just to get a response.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
The way you talk reminds me exactly of my 15 year old diehard emo cousin. We'll be having a conversation about something he doesn't know anything about, and he comes into the conversation and says "I don't know x and why should I care?"
Encase you also don't care, that was your first remark coming into this thread, and then for whatever reason you've managed to make that remark 3 times now in various forms. |
Okay, I'm emo now.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
I'm sure this is heartbreaking for you to hear, but the last thing anyone thinks before they make a thread on this forum is "hmm I wonder if mystery will care". Ergo, there is 0 reason for you to come into this thread even 1 time to remark "I don't know who blueman is, and I don't know why I should care". The mind here is WHY you would care enough to come into this thread in the first place just to post that useless . |
What I'm wondering is why is it such a big deal someone announces they've given up genre x, particularily when they're not even a major player in the scene in any way. People do this all the time without kicking up a fuss.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
So anyway, I'm happy you don't care, but I also don't care about rap music, and I'm sure as hell not clicking into random threads about it to ask people why I should care about it. Unlesssss of course, I just wanted to sound emo, then yeh I might do that. |
Yeah, that must be it. Another case solved by our very own Sherlock. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I'd just like to know why you're obviously trying to get me riled up by poking me pointlessly or trying lame personal insults just to get a response. |
And what exactly was your reasoning behind posting "I don't know who this is or why I should care" in a thread that you could have easily just ignored, if not to get a response?
| quote: | | What I'm wondering is why is it such a big deal someone announces they've given up genre x, particularily when they're not even a major player in the scene in any way. |
Uhh, haha, well at least this proves you mean it when you say you have no idea who he is. |
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| kevin shawn |
| Trance is done make some good quality prog instead! |
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| Omega_Blue |
wow, you guys all need to chill. lol
hey everyone, i've never heard of this guy either, and i clicked on the thread- and i also don't know why i should care. u jelly? :toocool: |
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