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Egypt Situation (pg. 4)
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Yeah, because this is all about the West and how great we are. We allowed them to do this! Go us! |
That's not what I meant to say, and I don't think that's the intended message. This is all about Egypt and how great the contemporary world is - whether or not the technology came from "the West" is irrelevant. It's an Egyptian uprising, not a bunch of Americans taking over the place.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Hardly anyone in Egypt even has a ing cell phone, let alone a smart phone or the internet. |
The numbers disagree with your statement :conf: |
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| igottaknow |
| Whatever happened to Bas? |
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| tubularbills |
| once again, no one seems to have numbers straight. cnn is saying 36 people dead, msnbc is saying 68. WTF |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
once again, no one seems to have numbers straight. cnn is saying 36 people dead, msnbc is saying 68. WTF |
Cnn said at least 36 people died, so 68 is still an acceptable number. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Egypt is a very important middle eastern aly to the states; keep that in mind. No political figure has yet to say "give them democracy" or "mubarak has to stand down" They are just being very general with there statements, hoping preferably that the situation difuses. |
Historically the US has always preferred dealing with non-democratic states- especially during the cold war.. I think they've preferred one monarch who they know well, and who will be around for a long time, compared to the corrupt leaders that often come to power in underdeveloped democracies
combine this with the fact that currently i think Obama's just trying to stay as much out of the limelight as possible, since the US has no money whatsoever, and they're already stretched for troops, and their inclination will be to stay out of it imo
they also have a pretty dodgy history with almost every country in the middle east (excpet israel of course which only kind of counts since its history is so short) |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
Historically the US has always preferred dealing with non-democratic states- especially during the cold war.. I think they've preferred one monarch who they know well, and who will be around for a long time, compared to the corrupt leaders that often come to power in underdeveloped democracies
combine this with the fact that currently i think Obama's just trying to stay as much out of the limelight as possible, since the US has no money whatsoever, and they're already stretched for troops, and their inclination will be to stay out of it imo
they also have a pretty dodgy history with almost every country in the middle east (excpet israel of course which only kind of counts since its history is so short) |
Can't argue with you there except for the last statement. Politically, Egypt has been the only arab country, as far as i know, to stay neutral or support Israel since after the 1967 and yom kippur war (1973). This is not very likely to change since Egypt is a strong aly with the US who is a strong aly of Israel.
With regards to other arab countries, no doubt there has been shoddy history between them, this is primarily due to Egypt's support/neutrality (albeit mostly political) for Israel. This and Egypt's strive to become a more secular and westernized nation. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Can't argue with you there except for the last statement. Politically, Egypt has been the only arab country, as far as i know, to stay neutral or support Israel since after the 1967 and yom kippur war (1973). This is not very likely to change since Egypt is a strong aly with the US who is a strong aly of Israel.
With regards to other arab countries, no doubt there has been shoddy history between them, this is primarily due to Egypt's support/neutrality (albeit mostly political) for Israel. This and Egypt's strive to become a more secular and westernized nation. |
yeah sorry i meant between the US and other arab countries: Egypt supports israel (kinda) because of the US, and because of a few conflicts around the time you mentioned, but i actually meant the US won't be hastily getting at all involved in arab states since generally it makes no end of trouble for them... |
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| Ted Promo |
| Military jets flying overhead this evening. It's gonna get heavy I think unless there's more international support. |
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| EddieZilker |
Has anyone else noticed that the Egyptian protest signs have better English spelling than American Tea Party signs?
:wtf: I'm embarrassed. |
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| coolestrl |
they are back online |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I've talked to numerous people who have lived in Egypt and they said hardly anyone there had cellphones |
They are completely mistaken, most people have more than one cell phone ;) |
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