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Egypt Situation (pg. 8)
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
That is the worst thing that could have happened. How many other countries are now going to try these tactics to overrun their governments? |
how can you say that? The protests were overall peaceful and this is the will of the people. They derve democracy just like you and I. How can you sympathize with a leader who hoarded over 10% of the countries GDP.
This is the best thing that can happen to egypt. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
how can you say that? The protests were overall peaceful and this is the will of the people. They derve democracy just like you and I. How can you sympathize with a leader who hoarded over 10% of the countries GDP.
This is the best thing that can happen to egypt. |
I'm not disputing they deserve democracy or that this turned out well for Egypt, but how many other leaders and citizen are not going to be so peaceful when they attempt to overturn the government? |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
how can you say that? The protests were overall peaceful and this is the will of the people. They derve democracy just like you and I. How can you sympathize with a leader who hoarded over 10% of the countries GDP.
This is the best thing that can happen to egypt. |
That remains to be seen. The "best thing that could have happened" in Gaza was a "free election", in which Hamas took over and is anything but a democracy.
It's always the 2nd wave to watch out for; the uprisings happen in a democratic way for people wanting the removal of an oppressive regime, but when it's over the best organized groups tend to be those who are equally oppressive/power hungry and assume the control. It happened in Turkey where the Islamists said they "just wanted a seat at the table and wanted a secular government", and it will probably happen in Egypt. When you have the Ayatollah of Iran praising the new change, I wouldn't quite call that a sparkle of hope. lol @ a true free democracy about to form in Egypt. Let's wait 4-6 months and see what transpires before believing the hype. |
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| Acton |
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| The17sss |
Oh yeah baby! I see democracy and improved relations with the U.S. in Egypt's future!
| quote: | What Egyptians Really Want
Romantics in Western media expect "democracy" to flower from the anti-Mubarak rioting in Cairo. But polling shows Egyptians actually seek strict Islamic rule.
According to a major survey conducted last year by the Pew Research Center, adults in Egypt don't crave Western-style democracy, as pundits have blithely trumpeted throughout coverage of the unrest.
Far from it, the vast majority of them want a larger role for Islam in government. This includes making barbaric punishments, such as stoning adulterers and executing apostates, the law of their country. With the ouster of their secular, pro-American leader, they may get their wish.
Among highlights from the Pew poll:
• 49% of Egyptians say Islam plays only a "small role" in public affairs under President Hosni Mubarak, while 95% prefer the religion play a "large role in politics."
• 84% favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim faith.
• 82% support stoning adulterers.
• 77% think thieves should have their hands cut off.
• 54% support a law segregating women from men in the workplace.
• 54% believe suicide bombings that kill civilians can be justified.
• Nearly half support the terrorist group Hamas.
• 30% have a favorable opinion of Hezbollah.
• 20% maintain positive views of al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.
• 82% of Egyptians dislike the U.S. — the highest unfavorable rating among the 18 Muslim nations Pew surveyed.
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| quote: | This empirical evidence refutes the sympathetic narrative broadcast as a continuous loop in the media over the past fortnight. Even after getting beat up by anti-American mobs, CNN's Anderson Cooper portrayed rioters as largely secular yuppies yearning for modernity and the triumph of human rights over martial law.
He and other media elite have it exactly backwards: Egyptians are revolting against Western-style democracy. The Pew poll reveals they do not, in fact, value our principles of individual freedoms, human rights and separation of religion and state.
It is plain they do not want what we want. They want an Islamic theocracy. And it's highly irresponsible for pundits to assume they want what we do. This is serious business, and we need to deal with facts and reality on the ground and not project our values to make ourselves feel good. The media fatuously whipped up support for a "revolution" at odds with our values and interests.
Now, with a U.S. ally expected to step down, the damage may already be done. The well-organized Muslim Brotherhood, previously outlawed by Mubarak, is in the best position to take advantage of the prevailing sentiment recorded by Pew. |
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAna...lly-Do-Want.htm
I mean, this says it all. The knee-jerk romanticizing of this being fabulously fabulous for what we perceive to be the ushering in of freedom and democracy is so foolish. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
That is the worst thing that could have happened. How many other countries are now going to try these tactics to overrun their governments? |
I cant wait to see more and more countries to do what Egypt did. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I cant wait to see more and more countries to do what Egypt did. |
The blood won't be on my hands. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The blood won't be on my hands. |
I dont get you sometimes. You want Democracy but then you dont want Democracy. what is your fear exactly? :conf: |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I dont get you sometimes. You want Democracy but then you dont want Democracy. what is your fear exactly? :conf: |
See "Iran" circa 1979 compared to today. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Acton
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I dont get you sometimes. You want Democracy but then you dont want Democracy. what is your fear exactly? :conf: |
I'm all for democracy but not at any price. Like I said in the other thread.....this protest may have gone peacefully but I wouldn't expect the same peaceful protesting in other countries that will decide to take matters into their own hands in order to overturn a government. |
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