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Psychedelics alliance (acid n shrooms etc) (pg. 15)
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
You're medicated (or have been) and yet you've spent all this time making fun of VAR for his own usage? You really are a clever lad, aren't you? |
Unnecessarily, like 10 years ago. And SSRIs are a tad different than anti-psychotics. Comparing the two is a bit like comparing tylenol to oxycontin. So strange for you to desperately grab at anything you can to once again jump on my nuts though. Bravo :rolleyes: |
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| Domesticated |
| No excuse to jump on your nuts. I just think it's ridiculous to laugh at someone for taking medication to treat a mental illness, when you've done it yourself. The potency of the drugs and time frame they were taken don't make a difference in the slightest. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
No excuse to jump on your nuts. I just think it's ridiculous to laugh at someone for taking medication to treat a mental illness, when you've done it yourself. The potency of the drugs and time frame they were taken don't make a difference in the slightest. |
Maybe not when it doesn't satisfy your agenda. I think it's pretty absurd to even attempt to compare anti-depressants with anti-psychotics, but I guess it's an understandable mistake if you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
...I'm pretty sure I'm correct. |
I am too. Just speaking generally, here, I think a good portion of the problem where illegal drugs are concerned has to do with an inability of moderate drug proponents as well as industry people (i.e. promoters, DJ's) to acknowledge the situation, honestly. I, personally, just don't buy that some kid was an exception to a number of people who were of age, who got into a club/rave. It seems more likely that it's a common practice to allow minors in, "under the table".
The Mother Jones cites another article, pretty much singing praises of Johns Hopkins, and neither article seems to refer to the official Johns Hopkins Press Release, here: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pres...6/07_11_06.html |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
And what "" do people who are on anti-depressants go through? Are you speaking from experience, or just prattling on about something you're only vaguely aware of? |
Well I've been heavily recommended for them before. I know/knew about 8 people who I talk to on a weekly basis for at least 3 months who've taken them. I also know two IRL friends who have. So while I'm not the most experienced there's certainly worse.
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
That's a foolhardy statement, and you know it. Psychedelics are extremely unpredictable, both person to person and on a case-by-case basis in the same person. The effects on a seriously mentally ill person could be devastating.
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I agree, which is why you don't take lots, but at lower to medium doses shrooms are extremely harmless. I don't know any seriously mental ill people, I only know mediumly or less. I know lots of people with depression bad enough to make them struggle with school a fair bit (which was me in the past concidering I only went for 50% of the time for about 3 years) but not anything truely chronic. I know lots of people who are blah quite a lot of the time and find it hard to relate to friends etc but the only person I know that's truely ed in the head is a friend of a friend.
So yeh I wouldn't be like here's 5 hits of acid have fun, but me and my best friend went tripping the other way and she's so much happier right now. Also acid has a lot more potential for bad than shrooms. At worst on shrooms you just get really scared/sad, there's no "intense introspective nightmare" which could really with someone.
There's also some seriously ed people who cope (with life) somewhat just fine, and I wouldn't trust them on acid though.
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Maybe not when it doesn't satisfy your agenda. I think it's pretty absurd to even attempt to compare anti-depressants with anti-psychotics, but I guess it's an understandable mistake if you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. |
I'm going to have to agree, quite different drugs=quite different. Although I see where domesticated is coming from. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Well I've been heavily recommended for them before. I know/knew about 8 people who I talk to on a weekly basis for at least 3 months who've taken them. I also know two IRL friends who have. So while I'm not the most experienced there's certainly worse.
I agree, which is why you don't take lots, but at lower to medium doses shrooms are extremely harmless. I don't know any seriously mental ill people, I only know mediumly or less. I know lots of people with depression bad enough to make them struggle with school a fair bit (which was me in the past concidering I only went for 50% of the time for about 3 years) but not anything truely chronic. I know lots of people who are blah quite a lot of the time and find it hard to relate to friends etc but the only person I know that's truely ed in the head is a friend of a friend. |
All these people you "know" on the Internet and in person. Have they lead similar lifestyles to yourself, dabbling in marijuana and other drugs from a young age? I would suggest that mushrooms or any other drug won't help them overcome their depression; ceasing their substance use altogether will.
I consider that there are three kinds of people with depression or related conditions: those who are experiencing a short bout due to stress, strong emotions, hormone activity or some other trigger. Those who've triggered it with excessive drug use, and those who are truly saddled with it for life, regardless of how correctly they maintain themselves mentally and physically. I'd be willing to bet that almost all of your acquaintances fall into one of the first two categories. In both cases, it would seem that intervention is pointless. |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
I consider that there are three kinds of people with depression or related conditions: those who are experiencing a short bout due to stress, strong emotions, hormone activity or some other trigger. Those who've triggered it with excessive drug use, and those who are truly saddled with it for life, regardless of how correctly they maintain themselves mentally and physically. I'd be willing to bet that almost all of your acquaintances fall into one of the first two categories. In both cases, it would seem that intervention is pointless. |
Well yeh I'd say most of them fall into a combination of the first and third description, only it's lasted about a year or more for everyone I can think of. |
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| EgosXII |
LOL @ people saying hallucinogens would be good for mental illness, or depression in particular. That is a ridiculous suggestion if you're talking about people who are actually depressed, not just a little upset.
Its nice that you feel happier etc, but as domesticated said, you're not chronically depressed. Playing with mood-altering drugs for people with mood problems is a pretty silly suggestion. They don't have the same mood as you to begin with, it seems pretty stupid to say their mood would be effected in the same way. |
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| Taipan |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
LOL @ people saying hallucinogens would be good for mental illness, or depression in particular. That is a ridiculous suggestion if you're talking about people who are actually depressed, not just a little upset.
Its nice that you feel happier etc, but as domesticated said, you're not chronically depressed. Playing with mood-altering drugs for people with mood problems is a pretty silly suggestion. They don't have the same mood as you to begin with, it seems pretty stupid to say their mood would be effected in the same way. |
"I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me." H.S.T |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
LOL @ people saying hallucinogens would be good for mental illness, or depression in particular. That is a ridiculous suggestion if you're talking about people who are actually depressed, not just a little upset.
Its nice that you feel happier etc, but as domesticated said, you're not chronically depressed. Playing with mood-altering drugs for people with mood problems is a pretty silly suggestion. They don't have the same mood as you to begin with, it seems pretty stupid to say their mood would be effected in the same way. |
Well I know how easy (or hard) it is to get diagnosed with depression, and I met quite a few people at festivals who were or are and find that psychedelics quite improves their life.
So yeh, maybe not anything extremely serious but as I said with mediumly bad or less all evidence I've seen points to it being alright. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Well yeh I'd say most of them fall into a combination of the first and third description, only it's lasted about a year or more for everyone I can think of. |
I would consider anything under two years a short spell in terms of depression. I have a vague feeling that the medical definition of the condition is somewhere around this duration too. |
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| Domesticated |
Too many...bad vibes in this thread...man. Gotta get things back on... track. What happened to...the love?
In other words, I just ordered the minimum amount (12 grams) of magic truffles from wholecelium.com. :gsmile:
Will post here if they arrive. |
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