Originally posted by Desiderata
I know you are confused. This outlet has brought some sanity to the Matt insanity.
You know what you want to say but can't find the right words or analogies. When it comes to murder or any crime in the court of law (varying where you live) the problem would be to let the person go free especially for murder. The person that commented that murder should do their time just how society is modeled after. The problem is rehabilitation in prisons, real prisons in society and those metaphorically prisons religious people feel we live in. And people that do live in these so called metaphorically prisons that have nothing to do with the lack of religion at all. I understand murder is an extreme crime and rehabilitation should still be offer to those people but I don't know if they should ever be released back into society, at least at this time on Earth.
So if God says you are a sinner (God being a Judge) and someone broke one of his laws then you are not allowed to go to heaven is what you are basically saying. A judge in society has a boss that will fire him if he does his job improbably. But God is the boss of all bosses(going along with the story here). The problem is, does God offer rehabilitation? I think he should if I was religious and I know there are churches out there that believe in that, like the Pastor that would write Jeffrey Dahmer. But the way you seem to be being taught is a sin is a sin no matter what degree (unless I have missed something) So does the person/church that is teaching you have degrees of sin just like the law has degrees of crime. I murdered my wife so I go to hell. But what if I was a bum and hungry and walking through a wal-mart parking lot and saw a car window open with a purse in the front seat and I stole it and gained $777.77 from it and fed myself for months with it. What is gods judgment on thou shall not steal compared to thou shall not kill since they are both sin. And to take it one step further what if the purse had $666.66 in it and I used most of it on drugs and alcohol. Both situations deal with stealing but is their a difference in what you do with the money? The way you are being taught seems very basic.
I tried to word this very simply so OP could not be confused over big words and complexes.
Still, Kooler Than Jesus though.
Sins aren't categorized into tiers. Someone who rapes or murders is no different from someone who uses profanity.
You're absolutely right when you say anyone who breaks God's laws aren't allowed to go to heaven. Have you ever stolen something? Have you ever lied? Have you ever disliked someone? I've done all three with no limit, so there's no way I'm going to be acquitted with God as the judge. I deserve hell, or I deserve life in prison.
Without Jesus' death on the cross, hell would be the only option for people. That is why he's the mediator for us to believe in him and enter God's kingdom.
Lagrangian
There exist states of affairs in which animals die agonizing deaths in forest fires, or where children undergo lingering suffering and eventual death due to cancer, and that (a) are intrinsically bad or undesirable, and (b) are such that any omnipotent person has the power to prevent them without thereby either allowing an equal or greater evil, or preventing an equal or greater good.
For any state of affairs (that is actual), the existence of that state of affairs is not prevented by anyone.
For any state of affairs, and any person, if the state of affairs is intrinsically bad, and the person has the power to prevent that state of affairs without thereby either allowing an equal or greater evil, or preventing an equal or greater good, but does not do so, then that person is not both omniscient and morally perfect.
Therefore,
There is no omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect person.
If God exists, then he is an omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect person.
The problem with quoting thousand year old arguments is that they're thousands of years old.
And this premise:
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Originally posted by Lagrangian
If God exists, then he is an omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect person.
Is false.
Adam420
That is all
Redd
that guys hair, I want it
Mattsanity.
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Originally posted by Lagrangian
There exist states of affairs in which animals die agonizing deaths in forest fires, or where children undergo lingering suffering and eventual death due to cancer, and that (a) are intrinsically bad or undesirable, and (b) are such that any omnipotent person has the power to prevent them without thereby either allowing an equal or greater evil, or preventing an equal or greater good.
For any state of affairs (that is actual), the existence of that state of affairs is not prevented by anyone.
For any state of affairs, and any person, if the state of affairs is intrinsically bad, and the person has the power to prevent that state of affairs without thereby either allowing an equal or greater evil, or preventing an equal or greater good, but does not do so, then that person is not both omniscient and morally perfect.
Therefore,
There is no omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect person.
If God exists, then he is an omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect person.
Therefore:
God does not exist.
God allows suffering in the world because good has to prove its purity above it. Otherwise, people would be spoiled and wouldn't need to put in effort into living. A child who starves to death is terrible, but that's because of sin that mankind started when they first inhabited the earth. That's unfortunately the connection the kids have with sin, because everyone is a born a sinner.
Evil exists in the mind of a person, and that person carries out the indecent act. God should never be blamed.
Even Buddha nailed it:
“It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways.”
Blake
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Originally posted by 6meets9
Can someone tell me if this is true?
I laughed a little when I first read this but don't have the time to verify and research everything. Apparently Jesus Christ is going to return which is more commonly referred to as the second coming and unite the jews, muslims and christians and all abrahamic religions will set aside their differences and hatred for one another and fight as brothers and sisters in a war against evil, basically the devil and the antichrist and his army. Christ will lead the army of good and defeat evil after which there will be a thousand years of peace. This is the only way there will be peace in the middle east and everyone will live happily ever after LOL.
Sounds like this would make an awesome movie!
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Originally posted by Mattsanity.
Sins aren't categorized into tiers. Someone who rapes or murders is no different from someone who uses profanity.
You're absolutely right when you say anyone who breaks God's laws aren't allowed to go to heaven. Have you ever stolen something? Have you ever lied? Have you ever disliked someone? I've done all three with no limit, so there's no way I'm going to be acquitted with God as the judge. I deserve hell, or I deserve life in prison.
Without Jesus' death on the cross, hell would be the only option for people. That is why he's the mediator for us to believe in him and enter God's kingdom.
ing Christian filth! You people don't even know the meaning of the word "sin". No just god could allow Christians to go unpunished for their crimes against humanity!
You know, earlier today I went to the supermarket to get a box of cereal, but when I arrived the place was packed. I'd forgotten that tomorrow is some kind of special day for you lunatics.
*edit* ... or maybe Christianity is the punishment. :sadgreen:
Spam
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Originally posted by Lagrangian
If God exists, then he is an omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect person.
How do you come to that conclusion? You can't simply declare that "if X exists, it MUST fit Y profile."
If God exists, it's possible that he's no different than me playing a game of Sim City, not giving a about the sims in my city, placing things wherever I want, and summoning epic disasters for my own entertainment.
srussell0018
This Blake person is pretty butthurt over Christianity. My guess is he was touched by a priest.
6meets9
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Originally posted by Blake
My personal list of worst things to ever happen to this planet:
1. Christianity (in all of its hideous forms)
2. God
3. Humans
4. The comet that wiped out the dinosaurs
5. facebook.com
6. The United States of America
7. The Holocaust
8. Black people
9. AIDS
10. chlola
God is not the problem! People are the problem!
6meets9
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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
no. you're a ing idiot.
the event you're referring to is 'the rapture'. when this happens, we will finally exterminate (see:banish to the deepest pits of hell) the jews, the muslims, and all you heathen atheists. with you guys gone, we'll finally have 'peace on earth'.
Excellent! More bloodshed! Remind me again why religious people are looked upon as the moral authority on this planet?
