Yeah, one of those is largely indicative of at least one of the reasons why it is I left TA in the first place. My posts are cringe inducing.
Learning that you can be a smartass without being such a miserable cunt was crucial.
Halcyon+On+On
Aw, Arj! You're being too hard on yourself! You'll always be a smartass cunt in my eyes!
But I know what you mean. What a I was!
WAS!
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Hey. Christian. you.
The music is terrible. Nobody with any sense gives half a about Christ because he was a ing idiot, much less can see the sense in singing songs about him all the ing time. Your culture of idiocy cares only for patting itself on the back and celebrating just how wonderful it is to live in a world where we can all suck Jesus' dick while loving one another, all the while utterly ignorant to the plight of those who aren't proselytized under this thought-killing new world order. Oooooh, compassion. Ooooh, forgiveness and community at $17.99 an album. Oooooh, maybe later on we can get ed up on Jesus-blood and drill holes in our hands so we can be even more like him all of the ing time.
Now go ahead and forgive me already, you ing moron.
Shameful display! :stongue:
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by RJT
Yeah, one of those is largely indicative of at least one of the reasons why it is I left TA in the first place. My posts are cringe inducing.
Learning that you can be a smartass without being such a miserable cunt was crucial.
You should show a little humility and contrition by coming back with in a prolific and meaningful way thereby redeeming yourself.... to paraphrase the OP; Jesus died so you can come back to TA.
We miss you Rob... we miss you real bad you magnificant bastard!
We shall kill the fatted calf and hold a lavish banquet in your honour.
Come home, Rob, its time to come home.
RJT
Ha! Well, I'm certainly around a bit, so we'll see. Real life beckons these days as well.
But yes, miss you too Craiggers
Mattsanity.
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I think that you have somewhat missed the message in the Jesus story. It isn't so much that sins are forgiven because Jesus died; rather, the story of Jesus is a declaration that redemption is available for all. One needs to look beyond the resurection itself to see this. In the times of Jesus Jews believed that illness was punishment for sins or caused by sins against God; this is why there are many stories of Jesus healing the sick... showing the forgiveness of sin. Jesus expresses a clear desire not to be curcified but ultimately defers his desire for Gog's will, which he states is more important than his own; showing that humility is required for redemption. He then gives himself willingly to those that will execute him; further showing deference to God's will and contrition in the face of it. Jesus suffering a terrible death complete with mockery, flogging, and insult is an example of the worst offences that could be commited against God (he is rejected, treated with distain, tortured, and then disposed of in the same manner as those who have commited crimes against men). At the moment of death the release of God from his human form is echoed in the tearing of the curtain that seperated the ark of the covenant from all but the highest of priests in the temple in order to show that God's love is available to all, not just the privileged. This terrible death being followed by Jesus' resurection to tell his followers to go and show the same love he has shown them to all men shows that God's love and forgiveness is not deminished by even the worst offences that man can show him.
There is a whole lot of fantastic going on here that if nothing else is a beautiful bit of writing to convey the message that God loves all and is willing to forgive all. Jesus' death is not necessary for this as the forgiveness of sins is illustrated prior to his death; thus, the death and resurection is not the mechanism of redemption but an illustration of it. In this sense redemption isn't vicarious; Jesus has not redemed us; rather, God is showing us the magnitude of his love by suffering this terrible death and returning in love despite the indignities suffered. The story of Jesus is meant to show how we may redeem ourselves through humility, contrition, and by the simple act of accepting God's love. Make no mistake we are not forgiven through Jesus... we were forgiven anyway. We are not redeemed through Jesus' death; rather, we redeem ourselves through his life. Christianity does not teach that one needs to be Christian to receive God's love... you get that no matter what. Note; it does teach that living a "Christ-like" life is the best path to true happiness and fulfillment, but not a condition upon which the love of God is contingent.
Sorry for the wall of text, which I'm sure is probably ranting and disjointed at times.
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I know you're just playing here but what the hell...
Indeed, Christianity pesuposes that humans are imperfect, which I would have to support. Do you honestly believe that we all act in the very best way we can at all times? We always do the right thing? We always do the best thing? Of course we're imperfect, perfection is beyond our grasp. Christianity holds that God is tolerant of our imperfections, as we should be of everyone elses.
Christianity is not about the individuals responsibility to God; rather, it is about our responsibility to each other. Granted, there is all sorts of talk about service to God; however, that service all takes the form of service to man. The Great Mandate of Jesus to his followers is to love and serve all men as he did to them... interestingly enough this very mandate is the focus of today's celebrations in catholic churches all over the world with the washing of the feet. Without question, if we were all to live a "Christ-like" life in service to humanity there would be great benefit to our species and the planet as a whole with justice and equality for all.
You are the real deal when it comes to knowing christianity. Your love is definitely contageous.
Halcyon+On+On
Don't forget red and bumpy. :p
Mattsanity.
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I found some gems from aeons past:
The second thread has a legitimate gripe about christian music. Most of contemporary christian (rock) songs focus on the self rather than God. That's a way of being selfish, and it's asking God what he can do for me rather than what I can do for Him. He deserves all the praise, so I find no fault when people dislike certain christian songs. The self-glorifying lyrics are definitely a discrepancy in christian music.
I fully agree with RJT on "Open the Eyes of my Heart". I've sung that like a lost sheep, not realizing that I wanted to have God's favor on a silver platter. The song title suggests that the believer wants to be the center of attention, and that's wrong.
Zharen
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Don't forget red and bumpy. :p
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Blake
One day, years from now, people will speak of the primitive humans of the 21st century, and their belief in things like magic, Christianity, and a whole host of completely nonsensical things!
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by Blake
One day, years from now, people will speak of the primitive humans of the 21st century, and their belief in things like magic, Christianity, and a whole host of completely nonsensical things!
