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SPOILERS - The Force Awakens - SPOILERS (pg. 6)
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| Mr.Mystery |
I did enjoy it overall. It did feel like they tried to pander to the original trilogy fanbase a bit too much, but they did introduce just enough new to the series as well.
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Although I suspect that was the idea all along. After all, this is just the first step in the renewed franchise. |
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| Zoso |
| It's becoming more and more difficult not to go this weekend... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Having slept on it and let the first impressions sink in, I liked the ambiance the most. They continued and developed the feel of the universe perfectly, in my opinion. The parts I liked the most were the small details. The problems were all with the bigger things. |
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| enydo |
The story was a little flat, a little hamfisted, I definitely agree there. It was a really fun watch though, the 2 hours really flew by. I'm not sure whether that's nostalgia etc, but it was a movie that flowed real well, even with it's issues.
I'd talk more about it but I'd like to avoid doin spoilery stuff in here quite yet. I liked Kylo Ren a lot though, also how funny the movie was generally. It was a good time. |
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| DJ RANN |
That's really the point and magic of the original star wars trilogy; it's the tiny details, the world that is created. Don't forget, all we got as a back story for ANH was about 100 words of scrolling text then you're in this incredibly detailed world.
The new film is all about that and don't forget JJ Abrams puts so many tiny details in to films that so many people don't even notice, which is why I think he was a such a good fit to take the franchise.
From Star Trek:
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Having slept on it and let the first impressions sink in, I liked the ambiance the most. They continued and developed the feel of the universe perfectly, in my opinion. The parts I liked the most were the small details. The problems were all with the bigger things. |
I particularily liked the comparison between Kylo's lightsaber and the original. When the teaser came out everyone complained how they ed up the lightsabers, but it seems like Kylo just wasn't as skilled in building lightsabers as the original jedi. |
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| mdamon7278 |
| It was the best, better then all the prequels garbage and better then the empire s its pants, Tigerclaw and me saw it and tiger cried when chewy and r2d2 died, great flick!!! |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
That's really the point and magic of the original star wars trilogy; it's the tiny details, the world that is created. Don't forget, all we got as a back story for ANH was about 100 words of scrolling text then you're in this incredibly detailed world.
The new film is all about that and don't forget JJ Abrams puts so many tiny details in to films that so many people don't even notice, which is why I think he was a such a good fit to take the franchise. |
Putting easter eggs into flicks like that has been a long tradition. ILM were putting Star Wars things in Star Trek way back in the day. Here's the Falcon in First Contact (aka: the one with the Borg)
Close-up shot: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/eggpedia/images/6/66/AkiraFalcon-STFC.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120105222712 |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| It goes back a lot further than that. When they did the asteroid field shots for The Empire Strikes back, some of the ILM guys got so bored of the lengthy process they threw in a shoe and a potato, which ended up on screen moonlighting as asteroids. |
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| Sykonee |
| I think that was just a case of them taking the piss with the process. The first instance of an actual easter egg I know of is the Falcon sitting in for a building in Bladerunner. There's probably more than that though, as it seems like the sort of inside joke production crews love doing. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
just got back. it was at least better than the prequels. but as already mentioned, the almost constant nods to the OT annoyed me immensely after the 10th time. it was like watching the OT all squeezed into one film.
there were certainly some pleasant surprises, like the sith's lineage and i'm not ashamed to admit to getting a bit teary during that death scene, but otherwise it felt way too derivative. yet another super weapon? really?
one huge improvement though was the set design, which actually included real objects rather than 99% blue screens from beginning to end. felt this gave many scenes a much more credible feel.
(i know i've just panned it for being too similar) but what was with the change in sound for the sith lightsaber? didn't rate that at all.
overall i still enjoyed it but i hope the next film stands on its own without feeling it needs to pay homage to the originals. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Blacked out spoilers:
One of the things that disappointed me most was the treatment of the First Order. With the Empire having been destroyed and obvious hints of their widespread defeat across the galaxy (IE: the wrecked Star Destroyer in the desert) I was expecting the First Order to be portrayed as a sort of upstart cult growing in influence and threatening the stability of the new Republic. This would have been a nice way to put a new twist on the universe. Instead, the First Order are effectively identical to the Empire in the previous films and the Resistance are just the Rebellion again. Not only was this disappointingly safe and unimaginative, it raised uncomfortable questions that the film had no interest in trying to answer, namely how they managed to gain so much power and influence so quickly. It's clear only thirty years have passed and largely the same ships and technology are still in use, so the idea that the triumph of the Rebellion over the Empire is some distant myth and the First Order have returned to being an all-powerful galactic presence creates a diegetic dissonance to the universe. At least for me, anyway.
More generally, it just felt like all the work of the original trilogy was for nothing. All Luke Skywalker has to do is bugger off for a sabbatical and a new Empire springs up, a new Darth Vader and a new shadowy Emperor. And now they've got to do it all again. And while I appreciate it was a pseudo-post modern thing for Abrams to reprise so much of the original trilogy, it just felt really ing lazy when the Resistance base looked exactly like Yavin IV. Especially as the whole climax of the film was introduced relatively late into the plot. For most of the running time it's about finding Luke Skywalker and suddenly there's another Death Star, another convenient weak spot, another space battle to destroy it. That was the moment it slipped from being a new story in the same universe into being a fan-pleasing silly pastiche. |
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