Originally posted by Paradox Lost
That said, you tell me that all the major UK progressive jocks had or were in the process of jumping ship for electro and minimal pastures in 2005, so as to make sure we're on the same page, who exactly are you referring to?
Sasha and Digweed, natch. It's almost comical how dutifully the likes of Dave Seaman would follow every move of those two about 9-12 months after the fact. Sasha pretty much publicly disowned progressive when he switched to Ableton. And of course, James Holden. The kid who'd been the future of progressive for the past half decade had already decided his future wasn't progressive at all.
The scene leaders had left the scene, of that there's no doubt. They say the hair and fingernails of a man can keep growing for several days after he's dead. There have been cellular activity left in progressive but the vital organs had already shut down.
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Originally posted by Trance-M
Great example of a track nobody listened back then.
You know, I thought I would take you off Ignore and stop being petty. Within two days you're back to posting stupid like this that makes me remember why I removed your posts from my screen. That album by BT was voted the album of 1995 by the readers of Muzik Magazine. Not the journalists, but the clubbing public. It beat albums such as Leftism, Exit Planet Dust and Timeless to the top spot, titanic records of electronic music that are still loved today. Nobody was listening? Not in the abominable Euro-cheese scene, clearly.
kosmotika
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Originally posted by Trance-M
Great example of a track nobody listened back then.
This was 1995:
I miss when trance sounded happy like this.
1995
2005 (and all mid 2000s for that matter)
ARPEGGIATED BASSLINES AND SUPERSAWS EVERYWHERE i.e.
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You know, I thought I would take you off Ignore and stop being petty. Within two days you're back to posting stupid like this that makes me remember why I removed your posts from my screen. That album by BT was voted the album of 1995 by the readers of Muzik Magazine. Not the journalists, but the clubbing public. It beat albums such as Leftism, Exit Planet Dust and Timeless to the top spot, titanic records of electronic music that are still loved today. Nobody was listening? Not in the abominable Euro-cheese scene, clearly.
I'm not gonna argue about it. I was also part of the clubbing public back then, IMO it simply doesn't represent 1995. Very few people knew about it, you can even read it in the Discogs comments. How many people you think read Muzik Magazine back then, enough to represent an entire scene?
BT was awesome back then though.
SYSTEM-J
One of the singles from Ima was a Top 20 hit in the pop charts. There's a clip on Youtube of BT on Top Of The Pops. Tell me about Alien Factory's chart successes.
Trance-M
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
One of the singles from Ima was a Top 20 hit in the pop charts. There's a clip on Youtube of BT on Top Of The Pops. Tell me about Alien Factory's chart successes.
I was talking about the posted track here and not about chart successes.
I didn't post Alien Factory because it was the most successful track of 1995, but it surely represents part of the sound of 1995. In this case the hard trance part. They released a best of album in 1995. Tomorrow and Destiny were two older releases I remember well. Tracks like this I found on compilations not by charts. But check the youtube comments, many refer to Love Parade 1994 for both tracks.
Starting @2 minutes:
Fun times :)
SYSTEM-J
So when you said "Nobody listened back then" you actually meant "I didn't listen back then". This is why I can't be bothered reading your posts.
kosmotika
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
One of the singles from Ima was a Top 20 hit in the pop charts. There's a clip on Youtube of BT on Top Of The Pops. Tell me about Alien Factory's chart successes.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Germany was more focused on 'rave culture' and so acts like Alien Factory, Raver's Nature, Marusha, Jam & Spoon etc were more popular there. BT's work in 95 may have taken off in England while Alien Factory's took off in Germany.
I wouldn't even bother to liken them. Early/mid 90s UK electronic music and German electronic music and the cultures surrounding them were 2 entirely different machines. I feel like they only really started to come together in terms of sound after the release of Faithless' "Insomnia" which more or less gave birth to the short lived pizzicato trance genre which was quickly picked up by German artists. After that the lines began to become more and more blurred.
Trance-M
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
So when you said "Nobody listened back then" you actually meant "I didn't listen back then". This is why I can't be bothered reading your posts.
You're smart enough to know what I meant and that it's true that just very few listened the posted track in 1995. Most likely just 2000 vinly's were pressed and the track can't..., no wait, I can't find it at a single compilation.
SYSTEM-J
Sasha opened two Essential Mixes in a row with Tripping The Light Fantastic in '95. You don't know what the you're talking about.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by kosmotika
You're comparing apples and oranges. Germany was more focused on 'rave culture' and so acts like Alien Factory, Raver's Nature, Marusha, Jam & Spoon etc were more popular there. BT's work in 95 may have taken off in England while Alien Factory's took off in Germany.
All the more reason not to make idiotic sweeping statements based on limited personal experience. Although Jam & Spoon had Top 20 chart hits in eleven different European countries, so it's not like nothing from the German scene ever hit the radio.
Trance-M
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Sasha opened two Essential Mixes in a row with Tripping The Light Fantastic in '95. You don't know what the you're talking about.
Difficult to remain polite again?
I'm stopping now as you clearly can't look past borders. This is exactly why I said I didn't want to argue about it.
Sykonee
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Originally posted by Paradox Lost
I've read your blog long and regularly enough to know your boundaries of 'electronic music' are apparently wide enough to include Neil Young, so it's kind of hard to meet your question on its own terms. :p
That said, am I wrong in thinking that most of your gripes with 2005 are actually describing your gripes with McProg at the time? Because I otherwise am not entirely sure as to what your issue was with that year. If anything, I have fond, non trance related memories of it. Yes, progressive was twinkling things up on the trance side, but was doing wonders with house, and all the big room UK jocks were pushing the best of it, with Hernan Cattaneo riding it to the prominence he currently enjoys. Aside from prog, tech had become much more of an established sound, but before it became an incredibly boring one. And we still had one more year left of progressive breaks. So not spectacular, but one of the worst?
My gripes of 2005 have little to do with how I remember it, in fact that year quite a fun, reckless one in terms of clubbing. But I sure don't return to it often when digging through past music. Whenever I look at what all the Very Important Records of the year were (Mandarin Girl, Rej, Slam, Alone Tonight, Say Hello, Hung Up, Dare) I seldom have much desire to dig any further. Compared to 1995 (and even 2015!), it's like a massive gully of memorable content.
