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| SYSTEM-J |
Yes, I’m “making my own reality” with magazine articles, chart records and recorded DJ sets. Zharen has pointed out that he spoke to veteran ravers who were there in 1995 and they told him how important an album Ima was at the time. Your denial of factual evidence is quite remarkable.
I’m not trying to deny that hard trance or NRG were big sounds in 1995, even in the UK. Clearly they were. However, trance was already splintering into several different scenes which had differing popularity in different parts of the world. The goa/psychedelic scene was popular in places like India and Thailand, the progressive/epic house sound of Sasha, BT and co was prevalent in the UK and the US. There were many other styles of electronic music that were hugely popular in 1995 and which you know jack about – drum ‘n bass, Detroit techno, garage house. Just because you didn’t hear any of this in the clubs and on the compilations you listened to doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
Quite simply, I’m not the one shutting down the influence of your music, terrible as I think it is, as some irrelevant niche. You are trying to write-off the music we like, even though the evidence is clear. And that is butthurt bull. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
I honestly think SAM is the most talented house producer to emerge in the past few years but he's done better records (still pretty damn good, though). |
Agreed, his first is still my favorite. |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yes, I’m “making my own reality” with magazine articles, chart records and recorded DJ sets. Zharen has pointed out that he spoke to veteran ravers who were there in 1995 and they told him how important an album Ima was at the time. Your denial of factual evidence is quite remarkable.
I’m not trying to deny that hard trance or NRG were big sounds in 1995, even in the UK. Clearly they were. However, trance was already splintering into several different scenes which had differing popularity in different parts of the world. The goa/psychedelic scene was popular in places like India and Thailand, the progressive/epic house sound of Sasha, BT and co was prevalent in the UK and the US. There were many other styles of electronic music that were hugely popular in 1995 and which you know jack about – drum ‘n bass, Detroit techno, garage house. Just because you didn’t hear any of this in the clubs and on the compilations you listened to doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
Quite simply, I’m not the one shutting down the influence of your music, terrible as I think it is, as some irrelevant niche. You are trying to write-off the music we like, even though the evidence is clear. And that is butthurt bull. |
I'll say it again, I'm not writing off the music you like, I'm not denying the influence, I'm not denying the BT track got played by some UK DJ's at some events all over the world. I'm not denying 1000 vinyls of the track were sold in Germany and maybe even more in the U.K. and the U.S. I'm just doubting that was enough to make it suitable as reference for what was big in 1995 for Europe mainland as well.
It's obvious some veteran ravers had IMA and probably there also will be people in Europe who had it, just like I have the brilliant God's Groove album from October 1994. Also that one, I think is not known enough to use it as reference because relative few people knew their tracks, so there are way more suitable tracks when comparing three different years by use of just a single track for each year.
I'm not responding to the different genres, I'm well aware of them even when I don't listen them, anything I will say about it will be twisted by you. I simply don't want to argue about it.
I said what I had to say, apparently we have different opinions about the unwritten definition what makes a track suitable as reference.
We don't have to agree and maybe it's good otherwise I could write Amen in my signature as 95% of the times or even more I do agree with you. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
If you want to talk up the UK scene of 95 talk about Man With No Name, Art Of Trance, X-Cabs, Underworld etc... |
I've seen all of them live, actually, (barring Chris Cowie) and had a blast on every occasion. I've been listening to trance for 16 years now, which is a minor miracle in itself given how ing embarrassing the music is. It was the silly cheesy music that got me into this whole wretched mess, and I'll always have a soft spot for the best bits.
It's still highly amusing to read the laughable hubris of kids like you from Jerkwater, USA who think trance is some kind of religion and they are the prophets. You should start a suicide cult with DJ Pluviose, because I'm convinced that one day your superiority complex is going to end in you going on some kind of shooting spree at an EDM festival. |
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| kosmotika |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've seen all of them live, actually, (barring Chris Cowie) and had a blast on every occasion. I've been listening to trance for 16 years now, which is a minor miracle in itself given how ing embarrassing the music is. It was the silly cheesy music that got me into this whole wretched mess, and I'll always have a soft spot for the best bits.
It's still highly amusing to read the laughable hubris of kids like you from Jerkwater, USA who think trance is some kind of religion and they are the prophets. You should start a suicide cult with DJ Pluviose, because I'm convinced that one day your superiority complex is going to end in you going on some kind of shooting spree at an EDM festival. |
Well I apologise for my previous rudeness but if that's the case why do I sense nothing from your posts but a jaded guy who sticks around a site like this only out of habit?
As for it being some kind of religion, all kinds of music will have devout followers. All forms of media for that matter, from film to literature, because these are things which touch us almost spiritually even and have always been important throughout history. For me, trance music is one of those things that I'm passionate about. I don't see why that's worth criticizing, especially on a forum which is dedicated to it... |
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| Paradox Lost |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
not even ing close |
Is the point here that these tracks and this sound existed in 2005, or are you suggesting that it had gained a stronger foothold in the States than I'm suggesting? With streaming radio, digital download sites, and discussion forums all having greatly matured by 2005, your sense of what's hot was undoubtedly an international one, but I certainly don't remember the minimal precursors you linked me to as something that was trending with American DJ's and pushed out in the American second room. Which leads me to...
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch
Being in the US, I didn't notice much in the way of dance music's recession in the UK. Club-wise, living in NY I still had Crobar and Spirit if I wanted to see some of the big jocks. And a TA who my friend knew would get us free admission to Crobar's VIP.
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Yeah neither did I, but the trends you see unfold on the West Coast were quite different from what you would see on the East Coast, and especially as far out as the UK, because hiphop had just been so dominant here. Ruby Skye and 1015 Folsom were and still are the two biggest San Francisco venues, and were actually the two which imported all the major house and trance acts each weekend (I think 1015 is where Sasha 'recorded' GU: 09), but hiphop was the undisputed flavor at every other club, bar, and lounge, and good luck if you were a techno DJ trying to convince a promoter for a slot at any one of those. That said, it's still a major city, which had (up until recently) its own thriving underground scene, and a cheeseball house night was something you could always find if you took the time to look. |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
Well I apologise for my previous rudeness but if that's the case why do I sense nothing from your posts but a jaded guy who sticks around a site like this only out of habit?
As for it being some kind of religion, all kinds of music will have devout followers. All forms of media for that matter, from film to literature, because these are things which touch us almost spiritually even and have always been important throughout history. For me, trance music is one of those things that I'm passionate about. I don't see why that's worth criticizing, especially on a forum which is dedicated to it... |
Good point, but for the reasons you mention I don't think you need to apologize.
He's calling trance ing embarrassing and hard trance silly cheese trance and that a trance forum, accuses people for writing off the music he likes, totally neglecting that these people also like that same music. I don't think I misinterpreted that part as non native English speaker, if I did please tell me. |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paradox Lost
but hiphop was the undisputed flavor at every other club, bar, and lounge, and good luck if you were a techno DJ trying to convince a promoter for a slot at any one of those. |
Crunk was the undisputed King of the Clubs in 2005, f'sure. |
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| vampirul_18 |
i bet that they are a lot of people here who are afraid to say anything because of these omniscient gods...
oh, you like progressive house (any kind, any year) = dumb noob, you're living in the past... :eek:
oh, you like trance (silly cheese or not, any year or any genre) = man, trance is dead... go listen to my favorite type of music (ambient/boring german dub techno), this is the sound of 2016... bla bla bla...
some old users here tend to forget that they are on a ing trance forum, or at least it's called like that... :haha: |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by vampirul_18
i bet that they are a lot of people here who are afraid to say anything because of these omniscient gods...
oh, you like progressive house (any kind, any year) = dumb noob, you're living in the past... :eek:
oh, you like trance (silly cheese or not, any year or any genre) = man, trance is dead... go listen to my favorite type of music (ambient/boring german dub techno), this is the sound of 2016... bla bla bla...
some old users here tend to forget that they are on a ing trance forum, or at least it's called like that... :haha: |
I'm afraid you're right and it's ridiculous this actually happens here.
If I can do anything to change that I will. I'm 41 by the way.
I'm refusing to not tell I did liked Scooter in the 90's next the more 'serious' stuff. Yes it's possible simultaneously. Their new album actually contains a trance song again called Wolga :D (not that is amazing though) |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| I should not had read all this. |
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