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| IAMCanadian |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Firstly, you should have a right to give an opinion, but you should not have a right to dictate who should live or die!!!!!!
Secondly...no jail is good...and coming out a hardened criminal is a large burden, but we were not talking about your basic criminal. We were talking about Capital Punishment enforced by the Conservatives. I believe that people that put too much energy into their anger come out thinking irrationally. The ends does not justify the means!! To quote D.A. Harris B.A. LLB:
"five men (1969 D.Milgard, 1971 D. Marshal, 1981 T. Sophonow, 1985 G.P. Morin, 1990 C. McCullogh) were all wrongfully convicted of murder in Canada . They spent time in jail before that mistake was corrected. At age 39, David Milgaard had spent 23 years of his life in jail for a crime he had not committed. Thank goodness none of these men had been executed before the truth prevailed."
http://www.lawyers.ca/dharris/artic...convictions.htm
So I suppose that if we applied your beliefs, all these men should ahve been convicted to death.
The moment you support the Conservatives, is when you support the death penalty. Because once the Cons. are elected, they won't care about your opinion/protests or human rights...they'll just pass the new law with safeguard so that it can never be repealed. Do us all a favour and don't give an educated opinion if you don't know the fact of our legal system in CAnada. |
Here's a prequil, finnished with out saying, did you know 50% of Ontario inmates are reoffenders? Last year there were 4 escapes and 33 improper releases. If 10 of those reoffenders were murderers dont you think the lives of 5 men justify the lives of 10 (and thats in one year...between 69-90 thats 210 men which the numbers I'm using I'm sure are modest)? or is that way to out there? Is sacrifice for the greater good just thinking to globally for you? What with all the talk of playing god and all.
Easy there prelaw, first of all maybe we should do away with all punishment in general, 23 years in Jail, Wrongfully? If it's such a harsh place to put criminals what do you think about putting inocent men there probably rather be dead. If we never scentenced anyone to anytime without the entire jury actually witnessing the crime then no one would have to put up with that. Ya and thats how closed narrow minded you sounded to me. So I am officially unsubscribing to this thread because this is rediculous. I will never change your mind...someone else may one day if something as brutal as the bernardo case happens a little closer to home for ya, God forbid,or my opinion may change if I am wrongfully convicted but barring that you will always have your opinion and I will have mine and as Canadians it is our right to those opinions and also as Canadians it is our right to vote for who we want to lead this country wheather our neighbor beleives we are voting correctly or not. So no hard feelings to anyone who has posted and anyone who is reading these posts and feels differently than I. But I am going to do what we all should do right now an go put on some Tiesto.
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| starsearcher |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by IAMCanadian
...Easy there prelaw, first of all maybe we should do away with all punishment in general, 23 years in Jail, Wrongfully? If it's such a harsh place to put criminals what do you think about putting inocent men there probably rather be dead. If we never scentenced anyone to anytime without the entire jury actually witnessing the crime then no one would have to put up with that. Ya and thats how closed narrow minded you sounded to me. So I am officially unsubscribing to this thread because this is rediculous....Peace. |
Sorry to burst your bubble but it's post-law. I finished a long time ago.
If your going to use the term "Narrow Minded" then use it in the right context...narrow minded would be someone for the death penalty. It's easy to kill someone, but much harder to have the integrity and principals to truthfully investigate, defend/convict someone. The life of a person is more valuable than a politicians hidden agenda.
I'm sorry but in my good conscience I cannot accept your opinion as as a valuable one. To vote conservative because they want the death penalty is truly rediculous. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
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| k0nk |
| quote: | | The state did not make marriages, religion did. |
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| Allegory |
| quote: | Originally posted by IAMCanadian
Do you beleive or even have a doubt in your mind of the guilt of Paul Bernardo???
FWIT, you obviously arent going to change your beliefs from what I say but I feel it has to be said. No one is talking about executing anyone with not only a reasonable doubt but a doubt at all. Not everyone convicted of murder gets the death penalty you know. Only the most haneous (not sure of the spelling there) crimes are punnished in such a way...I'm not sure it would deture anyone from commiting the crime but it would save money for the country and some people may sleep better at night.
Oh and I am born and raised Canadian and as for respect for fellow man, you cross the line from man to animal when you do something like that. Oh I have plenty of respect for all people but torturing and killing young girls demands absolutely no respect. Or do you disagree. |
I agree that there should be much harsher penalties in Canada, such as those employed in Singapore, Turkey, and Thailand; if they were caned, got their fingers cut off, etc I highly doubt they'd be inclined to go killing people. I don't see why they can't employ the same here. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | | The moment you support the Conservatives, is when you support the death penalty. Because once the Cons. are elected, they won't care about your opinion/protests or human rights...they'll just pass the new law with safeguard so that it can never be repealed. Do us all a favour and don't give an educated opinion if you don't know the fact of our legal system in CAnada. |
If they did that you can vote them out.
Ironically it was the Trudeau Liberals that made certain constitutional Acts unamendable. We should have had a Triple-E Senate decades ago but it's too hard to amend the Constitution Act thanks to the Lieberals. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allegory
I agree that there should be much harsher penalties in Canada, such as those employed in Singapore, Turkey, and Thailand; if they were caned, got their fingers cut off, etc I highly doubt they'd be inclined to go killing people. I don't see why they can't employ the same here. |
hmmm.....what do you think the right punishment should be for people like Karla & Paul? I for one think that a penal colony is the better idea. Something about my having to inflict physical pain on someone in return for something they did...leaves a sour taste in my mouth and makes my hands feel dirty. Why should I sink to the same level? Penal Colony sounds like a better remedy. Nothing hurts more than being Ostracized. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
If they did that you can vote them out.
Ironically it was the Trudeau Liberals that made certain constitutional Acts unamendable. We should have had a Triple-E Senate decades ago but it's too hard to amend the Constitution Act thanks to the Lieberals. |
Can you please cite the parts of the Constitution that you disagree with? I'm curious to know. Do you even know it? Or perhaps you disagree with our Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom...please enlighten us with this knowledge my learned friend?
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imo your confused. You keep referring to the Canada Act of 1982 (which is now referred to as Cdn Constitution 1982) which is what her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II signed. It marked the last time we needed the British Parliament to change our Constitution.
FYI, Trudeau gave Canada the human rights amendment to the Constitution. Our written Constitution, unlike the American, is not a single document. It is a collection of 24 documents: 13 acts of the British Parliament, seven of the Canadian, and four British orders-in-council.
Here's a History Lesson (If you believe yourself to be Canadian, then you should know it):
Under the terms of the Canada Act, the Constitution Act comprised of:
The Constitution Act 1982, the British North America Act and its various amendments (1871, 1886, 1907, 1915, 1930, 1940, 1960, 1964, 1965, 1974, 1975) and the Constitution Acts, 1867-1975.
"More important, it made four big changes in our Constitution."
"1st, it established four legal formulas or processes for amending the Constitution.
2nd, is that the first three amending formulas "entrench" certain parts of the written Constitution; that is, place them beyond the power of Parliament or any provincial legislature to touch.
3rd, the new Constitution Act sets out a Charter of Rights and Freedoms that neither Parliament nor any provincial legislature acting alone can change.
4th, it gives the provinces wider powers over their natural resources."
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is only one small part of the Canadian Constitution. It is NOT The Constitution, as you put it. The signing of the Canada Act merely amended Canada's existent Constitution. Declaring this "a new Constitution" confers upon the signing of the Canada Act more importance than it is due.
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is but one part of Canada's Constitution and is as distinct from the Canadian Bill of Rights enacted in 1960 under the Diefenbaker govt. (and overridden by the Trudeau govt. during the FLQ crisis) as it is from the Canadian Human Rights Act and Commission created in 1977.
"The Constitution of Canada also comprises other legislative documents and decrees," including the British Magna Carta (1215), Bill of Rights (1689), Petition of Right (1629) and Act of Settlement (1701).
The Canadian Constitution is sadly misunderstood, which demonstrates the undue influence American politics and some Canadian Politicians have on Canadians. It's no wonder most Cdn lobbyiest are Conservative supporters (only out for their best interest).
Btw....a large chunk of my family is American. Though I am proud of them being American (which they aren't right now bcuz of Bush), I am more proud to say....I am a learned Canadian.
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| DeE420 |
come on people.....lets take a look at ourselves for a few seconds.
First of all, basically most of the other party's platforms all center around Economic Growth. but this is the thing: WHERE THE HELL IS ECONOMIC GROWTH GONNA GET US WHEN WE'VE DESTROYED OUR OZONE LAYER, POLLUTED ALL OF OUR AIR, AND TURNED THE WORLD INTO A GIANT CEMENT BALL?
has anyone ever looked around at all the useless that we use every day? We pile our garbage in big heaps...and cover it with grass.
we cut down massive rainforests, destroying the homes of not only animals, but tribes. We force them to move to a new location that they'll just be clear-cutting in 2 years anyways.
We eat food that's been sprayed with chemicals. We own microwaves, cell phones, televisions. we SMOKE CIGARETTES (?!)....and wonder how the cancer rate has gone up so much.
we vote for people that have been ripping us off millions of dollars for 9 years.
we drive cars that pump so many chemicals into the air we're breathing, that RAIN has become dangerous.
When the Green Party says that they're thinking about the future, they mean it. They don't care about useless things like "Economic Growth." They don't even really WANT to get into power. They just want their ideas heard and happening.
I've been reading this thread, and I came across someone who said that the green party were too "hippie" for them. but what classifies a person as a hippie? others say that the Greens are "living on the moon"...when they're the only ones who are mainly focusing on the earth.
when you vote people.....think about what you're doing in the long run. and don't judge the greens too soon....take a second and READ what they're about.
http://www.greenparty.ca/index.php?...article&view=33 |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeE420
come on people.....lets take a look at ourselves for a few seconds.
First of all, basically most of the other party's platforms all center around Economic Growth. but this is the thing: WHERE THE HELL IS ECONOMIC GROWTH GONNA GET US WHEN WE'VE DESTROYED OUR OZONE LAYER, POLLUTED ALL OF OUR AIR, AND TURNED THE WORLD INTO A GIANT CEMENT BALL?
...when you vote people.....think about what you're doing in the long run. and don't judge the greens too soon....take a second and READ what they're about.
http://www.greenparty.ca/index.php?...article&view=33 |
Very nicely put :D and with some very valid points.
Funny how hippies in the 60's predicted everything that has happened and people still dismissed them then...some of those hippies left those ideals to become businessmen today. I guess all the negative people wore them down.
I'm still looking into it...even if they are very low on the polls :)
hmmm....I wonder what it would be like if they became the opposition? hmmm???? |
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| k0nk |
| ^^ I'm actually most interested in how they are going to campaign for the next election, when they have money as a result of this election. 1.4+ million dollars is enough to make some major differences, and not just by putting ads up. It would be interesting to see them put it towards something environmental in either a key riding, or a riding where votes have tradionally been low. Although, I don't know what kind of regulations are in place as to how that money must be spent. |
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