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| Jayx1 |
More relevent to this forum would be "what has john chretien and paul martin's liberal party done for us?"
If you want to vote for the liberals because it was alexander mackenzie's party 100 years ago, thats your business. I prefer to focus on whats happening today and whats happening today isnt so honourable. |
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| Jayx1 |
More relevent to this forum would be "what has john chretien and paul martin's liberal party done for us?"
If you want to vote for the liberals because it was alexander mackenzie's party 100 years ago, thats your business. I prefer to focus on whats happening today and whats happening today isnt so honourable. |
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| chrome |
b4k-oz: so the liberals have done alot of good, but they've done alot of corrupt aswell
big en deal
that's their jobs |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
I'm not hear to start a fight, you don't have to mispell my name for having a different opinion... |
hehehe I didn't mean to mispell your name. Sorry man. I didn't post for a fight or to argue. I just wanted people to be aware of what the Liberals have done. :D |
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| k0nk |
| I'm disgusted at the Canadian media right now. The Canadian Broadcast Consortium has decided to exclude the Green Party of Canada from their televised debates. Over 800,000 people voted Green in the last election, and over 8 million rejected their choices last year. These people are looking for real change. The green party is currently holding at 14% in BC polls, 5% federally, (and 9% on the TA polls). This shows that they should be included in election coverage and election debates. |
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| Jayx1 |
| I agree that the Green party should be part of the debate process. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by k0nk
I'm disgusted at the Canadian media right now. The Canadian Broadcast Consortium has decided to exclude the Green Party of Canada from their televised debates. Over 800,000 people voted Green in the last election, and over 8 million rejected their choices last year. These people are looking for real change. The green party is currently holding at 14% in BC polls, 5% federally, (and 9% on the TA polls). This shows that they should be included in election coverage and election debates. |
although i will not be voting Green Party, i definately agree with you. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I agree that the Green party should be part of the debate process. |
I agree. I'd like to throw this idea out though...don't freakin' jump all over me though...it's an idea, not my own:
As when the Alliance rose to prominence, the Green Party seems to have become the "cool" party to vote for among younger people who are not ignorant by any stretch, but not very politically savvy or realistic either...a middling ground. Not that the Green Party doesn't have legitimate policies...but some would suggest that idealistic younger people just don't want to vote for one of the big parties, not because they truly subscribe to the Green Party's policies, but because it's an act of rebellion or a statement against the mainstream...because it's "cool" to vote for the "alternative" party.
whaddya think? interesting hypothesis, no? If true, how does a TRUE Green Party supporter or member feel, thinking that part of the reason they get support is simply out of dislike of their opposition and not because people truly believe in them? |
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| b4k-oz |
Voting Conservative? What the Conservative have done to Canada:
Historically, when Conservatives took office, Canada underwent a recession.
Our last Conservative was Brian Mulroney (84-93), who came to office after Trudeau and embarked on policies designed to undo Trudeau's vision of Canada.
Inspired by US R. Reagan and British M.Thatcher, his govt. tried to reduce the deficits, cut back on social and cultural policies, rebuild ties with business, and privatize government enterprises. The most dramatic shift was the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) which came into effect January 1, 1994 (was written to not be repealed). It failed by a combination of an overvalued Cdn dollar, corporate restructuring, a new goods and services tax (1991), and a severe recession that led to a decline in domestic manufacturing, a massive loss of jobs, and cross-border shopping by Canadians.
Conservative disaffection rose with their decision to award a lucrative defence contract to Montreal instead of Winnipeg, and lingering animosity over the implementation of the GST.
Truth be told, the Conservatives ran the deficit to record-breaking levels and skyrocketed Canada's national debt from $170 billion CDN to a staggering $530 billion, which is where it currently stands. He did this in only 8 years.
The Liberals in '93 walked in to economic shambles and somehow managed to balance the budget in only 4 years. They did cut some funding to health care, but the maximum they slashed from any 1 year was not significant. They consolidated government ministries, and eliminated waste in the federal govt.
Canada (before the U.S.) entered its 1st surplus in '98. For all those Paul Martin haters…Martin was Canada's finance minister from '93 to 2002.
Now I understand you hear the media hype about Paul Martin and his being a thief. Perhaps you’re right to believe, or perhaps it was a collaborated collusion to discredit Martin and force a change in govt. We will never really know. But before you threw that stone and suggest that Conservatives are clean, I encourage you to dig deeper. You see Mulroney has resurfaced with the façade of support for his fellow conservative.
Examples of how NOT clean conservative are:
1) Father, Son and the CIA—illegal LSD experiments on 500 random Canadian Patients by the USA. Endorsed by Mulroney. Resulted in only 10 survivors. Dr. Cameron escaping jurisdiction, and CSIS (above RCMP) covering up for Mulroney.
2) Mulroney awarded $2mil of our taxpaying dollars when he sued the Federal Govt. (by those liberally appointed judges you say favour liberal’s) He placed a gag order, and a cease order on further investigations by the RCMP into the Airbus Scandal. The Scandal was stopped when it reached the swiss bank account.
3) Mulroney in the thick of Air Canada’s attempt to recover from Bankruptcy. Per the National Post, Cerberus Capital Mgmt of New York was in a bid for AC, Mulroney was helping them relaunch an improved bid and was lobbying AC’s directors to reconsider the new bid. All the while, knowing that he would become the chairman of the airline's board of directors, if AC accepted the bid. If you still don’t get it…Mulroney privatized AC in the mid-‘80s knowing, from a consultants report, of a bankruptcy loom.
If you think that there is no corruption, thievery or collusion in the conservative party, then I think perhaps you are naïve. Mulroney is still playing an active role with the conservative party in Canada (all the while living in the US) and had his close friends the Bush’s at his daughters wedding in 2000. No there is definitely no way that Conservatives have any interest in supporting a War, least of all if Mulroney counsels them. Please...
Don’t destroy what’s left of Canada by saying Conservatives are clean
My suggestion is to vote and ensure who the opposition will be. For me I will be leaning towards the NDP…as opposition. Any Party is better than the Conservatives. |
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| Jayx1 |
| i dont think any political party cares WHY people vote for them as long as they actually get votes... |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i dont think any political party cares WHY people vote for them as long as they actually get votes... |
So true, but it's up to us to be informed and not fall into the media smoke screen controlled by some more deviant politicians. Don't you think? |
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| MarkT |
I dunno...to a point, yes...but longevity results from people truly believing in your party's vision...if you get votes simply as a reulst of a backlash against other parties, you could just as easily lose those votes to someone eles, no?
Green will never come to power...a vote for them is a vote against the status quo (which is a legitimate philosophy, I suppose).
I like what b4k-oz is saying...vote for the opposition. Everyone seems to be conceding a liberal minority...so if you're anti-liberal, then decide who you want to be the official opposition.
Remember that part of the role of the leader of the opposition is to receive foreign heads of state and VIPs, no? I *really* don't want Stephen Harper being that person...anymore than I wanted the BQ agenda to be given such attention in the past. As much as I think Layton has shown himself to be an ass with his recent remarks over homeless deaths, I'd rather have him be the leader of the opposition than anyone else...if you're not voting Liberal, vote NDP! :P |
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