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| drgoodvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
now Martin is trying to bribe Canadians with money for health care... the very money he took out as finance minister!
BRIBING US WITH OUR OWN MONEY!! :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: |
lol strong use of the whip emoticon does not put more emphasis on your statement. :whip: |
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| The Highroller |
i agree with you guys totally about the liberals making mistakes and wasting our tax dollars. it is not acceptable.
but lets look at our alternatives. you would have the conservative party in power? please, as if our country wasn't struggling enough. cutting taxes and social programs is not the answer. the central idea of the conservative party is NOT in tune with Canada's needs. I will be voting for the Liberal party even though i agree that these theives have taken enough of our money, but i see more damage being done if the conservatives get voted in.
so vote wisely. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
but lets look at our alternatives. you would have the conservative party in power? please, as if our country wasn't struggling enough.
I will be voting for the Liberal party even though i agree that these theives have taken enough of our money, but i see more damage being done if the conservatives get voted in.
so vote wisely. |
My Canada doesnt condone thievery, corruption, kickbacks, and the arrogance of calling 2 elections within 7 years to try and ride into a majority government.
Sorry but the alternatives arent perfect, but they are much better than lying criminals. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
My Canada doesnt condone thievery, corruption, kickbacks, and the arrogance of calling 2 elections within 7 years to try and ride into a majority government.
Sorry but the alternatives arent perfect, but they are much better than lying criminals. |
who are you voting for again .. ?
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| Jayx1 |
Like i said... the alternatives arent the best either but at least the opposition havnt yet stolen from us whereas the liberals actually have time and time again.
I advocate conservatives this time but if they end up doing the same as the liberals when in power youd see me calling for the removal of the conservative government.
If we keep sending the message to governements that they will be removed from power if they lie to us, waste, and steal our money they will be less inclined to do it. If we keep voting them in anyways they will keep up to their old tricks.
Its simple logic really... |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
i agree with you guys totally about the liberals making mistakes and wasting our tax dollars. it is not acceptable.
but lets look at our alternatives. you would have the conservative party in power? please, as if our country wasn't struggling enough. cutting taxes and social programs is not the answer. the central idea of the conservative party is NOT in tune with Canada's needs. I will be voting for the Liberal party even though i agree that these theives have taken enough of our money, but i see more damage being done if the conservatives get voted in.
so vote wisely. |
so you're rewarding the Fiberals for their bad behavior. They will just do it again.
There are plenty of alternatives, left and right. |
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| drgoodvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Like i said... the alternatives arent the best either but at least the opposition havnt yet stolen from us whereas the liberals actually have time and time again.
I advocate conservatives this time but if they end up doing the same as the liberals when in power youd see me calling for the removal of the conservative government.
If we keep sending the message to governements that they will be removed from power if they lie to us, waste, and steal our money they will be less inclined to do it. If we keep voting them in anyways they will keep up to their old tricks.
Its simple logic really... |
well.. there is truth to that statement.. Harris was voted in for a second term and look what happend.
I'm gonna go with Highroller on this definitely. Conservative idealogy does not mesh with my own personal beliefs. Here's why.
Harper wanted Canada to go to war with Iraq, in that lies the reasoning that he will be supportive of American military action. My feelings on this and the war in Iraq is that I am absoloutly against it, besides the fact that it is and will always be a huge waste of money.
Harper wants to make changes on the constitution based on voting through Parliament versus through the supreme courts using the Notwithstanding clause. Can you imagine what would happen if the conservatives got a majority government and then used the notwithstanding clause to change whatever they wanted on our constitution. Bam no more abortion, bam no more affirmative action laws. Just the idea of it is all too out there. Our constitution should never be simply voted on. It is for the courts to decide , simply becuase they are OUTSIDE the land of politics and special interest.
Healthcare, this ones simple. I'm against user fees, I dont want to see the nations healthcare end up like Alberta's.
Taxes, how do we reduce taxes if we still want the same level of service or better? AND not have user fees and so on and so on
Government privatization. Things will end up costing as much or more. Remember like I said before, these are FOR PROFIT entities servicing programs that are paid by your tax dollars. Do you want to help line the pockets of investors with your tax dollars?
I can go on and on. I will be voting Liberal. I do however really like some of the things Jack Layton is saying. |
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| Jayx1 |
Sounds like you should be voting NDP or Green then. Paul Martin is no friend of health care. He lowered health transfer payments to the provinces by 80% down to a mere 13% of the total costs.
Now hes using the money he cut to form a huge surplus to buy back our votes. That is, if he even keeps his promise.
Liberals are good at breaking them remember. |
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| Jayx1 |
In 1993 the Federal Liberals had something called the "red book" in which they outlined their platform. Here are some of the promises made 11 years ago.
Eliminating the Goods and Services Tax
Parliamentary Reform - in the form of free votes in parliament
Creating an Independent Ethics Counsellor
Renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Well guess what? the GST is still here. Parliamentary reform actually took a setback as chretien allowed fewer free votes in parliament than any other prime minister ever. The "independent ethics counsellor reports directly to the prime minister and NAFTA is still here in its original form.
And now they are asking for my vote yet again. I dont think so! |
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| drgoodvibe |
Now see.. what I don't understand about the GST since we're on the topic is, is that we're all getting on Chretians case about NOT eliminating the goods and services tax, however NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THAT IT WAS MULRONEY WHO WAS PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE that implemented the tax in the first place.
Now last time I checked I thought conservatives are suppose to reduce taxes?!
Believe what you want to believe people, statistics and quotes can be made and found to prove any debate. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | | Harper wants to make changes on the constitution based on voting through Parliament versus through the supreme courts using the Notwithstanding clause. Can you imagine what would happen if the conservatives got a majority government and then used the notwithstanding clause to change whatever they wanted on our constitution. Bam no more abortion, bam no more affirmative action laws. Just the idea of it is all too out there. Our constitution should never be simply voted on. It is for the courts to decide , simply becuase they are OUTSIDE the land of politics and special interest. |
As opposed to unelected judges who change whatever they want?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
If the Conservatives do that, you can vote them out.
When judges make policy decisions, as with gay marriage, there's no recourse.
Judges are appointed by the PM, and Liberals generally appoint Liberal judges. So the argument that they're non-political is nonsense.
We need MORE politicalization --> it's called democracy.
PS. The assumptions in the rest of your post are bunk. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
Now see.. what I don't understand about the GST since we're on the topic is, is that we're all getting on Chretians case about NOT eliminating the goods and services tax, however NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THAT IT WAS MULRONEY WHO WAS PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE that implemented the tax in the first place.
Now last time I checked I thought conservatives are suppose to reduce taxes?!
Believe what you want to believe people, statistics and quotes can be made and found to prove any debate. |
The GST is the best tax, because it's USE-BASED and given that there's a credit for low-income earners.
Taxes on personal income and business investment are the most regressive. |
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