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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
some ppl here are actually giving me reason to vote Liberal .. to keep them UNhappy!
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it's funny how self-righteous Canadians can be about the US and Bush, yet they vote for politicians who steal their money and give it to their friends (lieberals)
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| The Highroller |
ok the pierre trudeau comment just shows how much validity your arguments have. worst PM in Canadian history? don't make me laugh
| quote: | | Love it or hate it, the GST actually WAS a tax reduction in some senses. Prior to the GST, there was a Federal Manufacturer's Sales Tax on many goods at around 13% which was hidden in the ticket price of items. In some cases, the GST replaced other hidden taxes such as a communications tax on cable bills and telephone bills which was around 20%! |
exactly. the gst argument is old. i myself prefer to see the tax rather than it being hidden thank you. thumbs up to GST |
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| malek |
no one talked about the GST as being a method to control fraud between corporations when selling materials to each other.
my english is limited, but if someone knows about this, please help :p |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
1) The Charter and Repatriation has been a legal and political disaster.
2) Terrible fiscal policies; huge deficits and skyrocketing debt (Mulroney was just as bad in this area BTW).
3) The Canadian dollar has never recovered.
4) He was a communist that passed secrets to Cuba, China and possibly the USSR.
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The Charter has it's flaws...but Trudeau and his Charter have also been the source for virtually all gay rights that are have been granted, for example. The Charter, while taking power away from parliament, and consequently "the people", has granted protections to women and minorities, such as aboriginals, that might not otherwise be present today. Pros and cons...no doubt...but I woudn't call it a "disaster".
Didn't many other western nations emerged from that time period with a deficit, not just Canada?
While clearly a socilist at heart...you might be stretching it a bit to suggest he essentially "spied" for those countries.
I'm not suggesting that he was our best PM, but to say he was our worst Prime Minister ever...that's a bit much. You state things as if they are fact, when they are debatable statements...that's my problem with your post. What you can say is that he changed Canada in a manner that that YOU don't like. The same can be said for many PMs (yay, GST!) |
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| Jayx1 |
PET definatelty was the worst PM ever.
If it werent for him we wouldnt have beggers on the streets (before the charter we had enforceable vagrancy laws). Theyd have to get the psychological treatment they so desperately need.
- we wouldnt have runaway immigration. A system that accepts so many but has no idea how to handle them. As a result the poor immigrants stay poor due to the fact that our country does not have the infrastructure to support such a large influx of people.
- health care has been a failure. But instead of redesigning a flawed system we are being asked to pump more and more $$ into a black hole. Thanks PET!!
- The Energy Crisis. PET set up Petro Canada (Pierre Elliot Trudeau Rips Off Canada) as a means to lower oil and gas prices by using Canadian oil instead of relying on foreign sources. Well at 92.5 cents a litre 23 years later it sure was money well spent wasnt it?? :p
Ah yes and it was this very policy that instigated the West's alineation. You could argue that PET was personally responsible for the creation of the Reform Party. |
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| ShadoWolf |
Paul Martin says he’s a proud Liberal, and Liberal values are Canadian values. Mr. Martin, corruption, mismanagement, and massive misuse of public funds are not Canadian values. They are the values of a party too long in power, a party grown accustomed to using public money for political advantage. Wrapping yourself and your party in the Canadian flag do not make this any less true, or the actions of your Liberal government since 1993 any more acceptable.
Canadian values include hard work, belief in community, and individual responsibility. They are about being accountable for one’s actions, standing up for what is right, self-respect and respect for others.
Let’s have a closer look at some of Paul Martin’s record over the past decade. What does it tell us about his values?
a.. He dismantled the pension plan (read ‘collective security’) of Voyageur, one of the companies in his corporate empire.
a.. He circumvented Canadian health, labour and safety standards by re-flagging ships from his former company, Canada Steamship Lines (CSL).
a.. He fired the Canadian crews on his CSL ships and replaced them with cheap foreign labour.
a.. He registered his assets off-shore to avoid paying his fair share of Canadian taxes.
Too bad Paul Martin’s Canadian values don’t include taking care of Canadian employees, following Canadian health and safety guidelines, paying Canadian workers living wages and paying Canadian taxes like everyone else.
Mr. Martin, you can be Canadian without being a Liberal. To suggest otherwise, as you have been doing, brings Canadian politics to a new low. Stop using the Canadian flag to attack your opponents. Try running one up the flagpole of a CSL ship instead. |
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| MarkT |
| ^^^ 100% IRRELEVANT to him being judged as a good or bad PM. |
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| crazedcanuck |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ 100% IRRELEVANT to him being judged as a good or bad PM. |
Kind of says a lot about him as a person.... does what he thinks is best for his bottom line, and not the Nation's.
That mentality has been readily evident in his actions as Finance Minister, and the overall Liberal Party modus operandi. |
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| Jayx1 |
Ive noticed something in my neighbourhood.
First: the few red signs that are around have "TEAM MARTIN" in Huge Letters at the top where the Liberal logo usually goes. And the Liberal logo is very tiny in the bottom right corner. It seems to me that the Liberals know that their name has been tainted are are trying to sell their party in a new package in the hopes of hoodwinking people. Just remember that Martin was #2 in charge during the Chretien days. This is NOT a new party. Its the same old thing as before.
Second: i have a long street and i counted 9 Conservative signs to 2 Liberal signs. I wouldnt be suprised to see the COnservatives rise to power over the next month just like their political cousins did in Ontario in 1995. Remember that back then there was also a lot of voter animosity and the Liberals under Lyn Mcleod went into that race with a majority government win according to the polls. They ended up losing in a landslide to the tories. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | | Second: i have a long street and i counted 9 Conservative signs to 2 Liberal signs. I wouldnt be suprised to see the COnservatives rise to power over the next month just like their political cousins did in Ontario in 1995. Remember that back then there was also a lot of voter animosity and the Liberals under Lyn Mcleod went into that race with a majority government win according to the polls. They ended up losing in a landslide to the tories. |
Not to mention when the PC's were reduced to two seats in 1993; noone saw that coming. |
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| Tudo Beleza |
| i at the moment i may vote green, not sure yet. |
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| Jayx1 |
The conservartives are within 7 points of the Liberals now and keep climbing. They have risen 6 points since the election was called.
If this momentum continues we will finally be seeing a change thats badly needed. |
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