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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
hehehe I didn't mean to mispell your name. Sorry man. I didn't post for a fight or to argue. I just wanted people to be aware of what the Liberals have done. :D |
oh ok, cool then :) |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The GST is the best tax, because it's USE-BASED and given that there's a credit for low-income earners.
Taxes on personal income and business investment are the most regressive. |
hmmm....I seem to recall Ipsos-Reid doing a poll to find out what people thought of the GST. A vast majority (I think it was 72%) did not want the GST. Yet you support it....
Did you know that Prisoners are low income earners and get GST rebates, Canada Pension Plan, old age security, guaranteed income supplement?
OK....Chretian was not my fav. Truthfully, he wasn't Trudeau's either. In PET's Memoirs--if you read between the lines, he says that Chretian is a good man-always eager to satisfy everyone... but did not have what it took to stand by his principals. I think JC tried too hard to satisfy a lot of Tory business men and is now getting burned for not standing by his Liberal principals--which by your belief--makes him a liar and thief. imo, you just can't please everyone...and those who think they can---end up like JC--Your favorite guy :stongue: Just kiddin! |
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| baystreetboi |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
3) Mulroney in the thick of Air Canada’s attempt to recover from Bankruptcy. Per the National Post, Cerberus Capital Mgmt of New York was in a bid for AC, Mulroney was helping them relaunch an improved bid and was lobbying AC’s directors to reconsider the new bid. All the while, knowing that he would become the chairman of the airline's board of directors, if AC accepted the bid. If you still don’t get it…Mulroney privatized AC in the mid-‘80s knowing, from a consultants report, of a bankruptcy loom.
If you think that there is no corruption, thievery or collusion in the conservative party, then I think perhaps you are naïve. Mulroney is still playing an active role with the conservative party in Canada (all the while living in the US) and had his close friends the Bush’s at his daughters wedding in 2000. |
...so let me get this straight. You think that Mulroney privatized Air Canada in the mid 80s with the expectation that TWENTY years down the road he would return to become the chairman of the board? (Besides, he's already Chairman of Quebecor World and on the board of numerous other companies... what would the draw be to do so for AC?)
(and by the way, where do you get your information that Mulroney lives in the USA? He's a senior partner with the Montreal office of Ogilvy Renault, and if you check any of the public disclosure documents of the companies for which he is a director, you'll see his residence is Montreal). |
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| k0nk |
| quote: | | how does a TRUE Green Party supporter or member feel, thinking that part of the reason they get support is simply out of dislike of their opposition and not because people truly believe in them? |
Part of it IS the dislike of the opposition. If we didn't dislike the opposition, there would be no need for other parties. When you look at those 8.2 Million people in the last federal election that rejected their choices, they disliked ALL the parties. So, I don't think that the Green Party is really any different than any of the other parties in that aspect. The Conservatives and NDP say "Don't let the liberals back in, vote for us", the Liberals and the NDP say "Look at what the Conservatives have done previously, vote for us", etc.
I think part of the draw may well be that the Green Party has never f**ked us over before.
On the other hand, I don't think people will vote for them JUST because they dislike the opposition. I think the people that vote Green will have looked at the platform, and agreed with at least the majority of the stances that the Green Party takes.
| quote: | | Green will never come to power...a vote for them is a vote against the status quo (which is a legitimate philosophy, I suppose). |
Part of the interesting thing about voting Green, is that it cannot be a wasted vote. Even if no seats get elected, other parties will look at that percent of the voters, and try to determine how to alter their platform to get those voters. This has already happened with BC Provincial NDP. They continue to state that their values are the closest to the Green Party of the major parties. Furthermore, NO party needs to "come to power" to be effective. Having seats is quite effective, and once that has begun, the party will only get stronger. (We only need to look to Germany for evidence of that, where both the state secretary in the Ministry of Economics and Labor, and the Minister of the Environment are members of the Green Party.) |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by baystreetboi
...so let me get this straight. You think that Mulroney privatized Air Canada in the mid 80s with the expectation that TWENTY years down the road he would return to become the chairman of the board? (Besides, he's already Chairman of Quebecor World and on the board of numerous other companies... what would the draw be to do so for AC?)
(and by the way, where do you get your information that Mulroney lives in the USA? He's a senior partner with the Montreal office of Ogilvy Renault, and if you check any of the public disclosure documents of the companies for which he is a director, you'll see his residence is Montreal). |
Oops...did I just come across a real Mulroney supporter? My guess by your handle is that you work for a bank owned brokerage firm....either as a floor trader, in bonds or just starting out as a stock broker--but definately not part of the Institutional or Analyst's (you see I worked that field). Well...put down that sword my friend...I am not the enemy. I assure you that my info is legitimate and a matter of public records (Osgoode Hall Library is my usual source now).
Firstly, about AC...let's not mince words. I did not say he preplanned to be Chairman of AC. What I did say was that he privatized and later saw an opportunity to reap from his mistakes. Thereby proving that privatization works....for the greedy. Sorry you don't like that I feel this way about him...but there it is...I don't like what he did to my Country. Selling it out to the highest bidder which in most cases in Canada...ends up being an OK USA team.
As for his residence...I don't dispute where he lives or that he works for O Renault in Montreal...but at the time when The National Post printed the details of his law firm helping the USA firm of Cerberus (help was the key word) he had purchased a property in the U.S. but to be frank...I don't give a care where he lives...he's already done too much damage for me to care.
So I hope that these answers satisfy you. Believe me, it's nothing personal against you...I just don't want to see another Conservative repeat it all over again...since Mulroney has resurfaced to help out.
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| baystreetboi |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Oops...did I just come across a real Mulroney supporter? My guess by your handle is that you work for a bank owned brokerage firm....either as a floor trader, in bonds or just starting out as a stock broker--but definately not part of the Institutional or Analyst's (you see I worked that field). Well...put down that sword my friend...I am not the enemy. I assure you that my info is legitimate and a matter of public records (Osgoode Hall Library is my usual source now).
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As a matter of fact, I do work on the institutional side of things. :) |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by baystreetboi
As a matter of fact, I do work on the institutional side of things. :) |
Well then, my hats off to you...I hope you stick it out man. I know Institutional doesn't make the kinda money they used to make when I was around. But then, I was on the Analyst side. Nice to hear your a TA too.
So don't hate me because I said my piece about Mulroney...but it needed to be said after reading some of the posts here.
Peace :D |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
Im ticked at chretiens gov't too but the actuality is that the PC alliance party has yet to prove themselves and prove that the union was something good for both parties. Remember the alliance is the Reform party. Did you know preston manning is still doing allot behind the scene. Manning, if allowed would be Canada's hitler.
Think about it. This election should not be about misdirected anger. |
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| Jayx1 |
The PC Alliance party?? Is this a new party that ive never heard of?
Seems martin is referring to this alot too. Ill have to join this "PC ALLIANCE" party everyone is reffering to. Martin likes to call the Liberals "Team Martin" these days himself to avoid the stigma of the Liberal name (this should tell you something)
The very fact that martin uses the term "PC ALLIANCE" to mislead people should be a red flag as to how this guy operates. |
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| crazedcanuck |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
Remember the alliance is the Reform party. Did you know preston manning is still doing allot behind the scene. Manning, if allowed would be Canada's hitler.
Think about it. This election should not be about misdirected anger. |
People like you are basically uniformed s, spouting off names, and making arrogant, fear-mongering comparisons not even relatively based on fact.
Preston Manning was a Minister, and I'm sure an intelligent minister, whose father was the premier of Alberta is an advocate of genocide.
The Reform party was actualy the Progressive conservative party you idiot, since post-Mulroney those on the right were disgusted with the terrible financial policies and essentially extreme leftisim and corporate cow-towing of the PC's under Muldoon. Formed under a middle of right social party platform, and a right wing fiscally responsible and justice/military standing platform.
If you want to throw Hitler comparisons around, ask our Native people how they feel treated by the Liberal government over the past 11 yrs, and the countless millions of dollars held back, and promises of returned land broken.
Simply because a few old men made stupid comments, you paint a whole party the same colour. Go work your local liberal campaign office, attend a function, and if you have the money to hob-nob and hear what really comes out of the mouths of the higher ups, i doubt it'd be much differnet from what you hear in any other political party. The majority of the rich are arrogant, generalizing asshoes, who look down their nose @ us, no matter our skin colour, hair style, piercings, etc. |
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| crazedcanuck |
The Reform Party of Canada was a western-based political party that grew out of a coalition of discontented western interest groups. The coalition began in 1986 as an attempt to voice western concerns at the national level. In May 1987, however, the Reform Association of Canada voted to support a broadly based party to voice Western economic and constitutional concerns.
The founding convention of the Reform Party was held in October 1987, at which Preston MANNING, son of former Alberta SOCIAL CREDIT premier E.C. MANNING, was elected the party's first leader. Its platform contained a few traditional political goals of prairie populist reformers, such as free trade and direct democracy (referendums, initiatives, and recall), and some contemporary proposals such as the Triple-E Senate. The Reform Party's major preoccupations, however, were with reducing the size, scope, and cost of government, primarily by massive cuts to social welfare and cultural support programs; and its firm opposition to Quebec's demands for special status within Confederation. Although the party failed to win any seats in the 1988 election, its percentage of the electoral vote, especially in Alberta, was encouraging. The party gained further credibility in 1989 when Deborah Grey won a federal by-election in Alberta and Stanley Waters won Alberta's first senatorial election.
The Reform Party took a strong stand against the MEECH LAKE ACCORD (see alsoMEECH LAKE ACCORD: DOCUMENT), a stand which garnered the party considerable public support in English-speaking Canada, particularly during the months of disillusionment that followed the accord failure in 1990. The party's public profile was further enhanced by its vigorous opposition to the Goods and Services Tax (GST) and to the CHARLOTTETOWN ACCORD (see also CHARLOTTETOWN ACCORD: DOCUMENT). The failure of the referendum vote on the latter, in the fall of 1992, marked a high-point in Reform Party support.
Support for the Reform Party waned until rebounding again during the 1993 election. Disillusionment with the traditional political parties in general, and with the PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE party specifically, saw the Reform Party win 52 seats, 22 of 26 in Alberta, 24 of 30 in British Columbia, four in Saskatchewan, and one in Manitoba. Although Manning portrayed his party as a national force, Reform won only one seat in Ontario, leaving it as a powerful regional voice, similar to the separatist BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS, which took 54 seats in becoming Canada's official opposition party.
Reform's fortunes sagged following the election. While the party could take some credit in moving the public agenda towards concerns over government debt and deficit, it frequently found itself criticized as being unfocused and ineffective in presenting an alternative to the governing LIBERALS. The party also was riven by internal controversies over Manning's leadership, the future direction of the party, and ongoing accusations that the party harboured extremist views towards ethnic minorities and gays.
The adoption by the governing Liberals after 1993 of fiscally conservative policies and a slight recovery in the Canadian economy appeared to further blunt Reform's public appeal. In the federal election of 1997, however, Reform claimed 60 seats, making it the Official Opposition. The seats were won in the western provinces of B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. Reform's popularity in western Canada, while having no presence east of Manitoba, highlighted the growing regionalisation of Canadian politics.
After the 1997 election, Reformers came to believe that continued high level of support for the Liberal government was their greatest problem. Barring a major financial or political crisis that might challenge voter faith in the Liberal Party, Reform's chances of forming a national government seemed remote. In January 2000, a new political party called the CANADIAN ALLIANCE was created. The membership of the Reform Party of Canada voted to adopt the constitution, policies and name of the new party. They hoped that this new party would unseat the Liberals in the next federal election. The Reform Party of Canada ceased to exist as of March 2000.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....s=J1ARTJ0006737 |
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| b4k-oz |
So I'm curious....who here, thinks they will be voting Conservative regardless of what you've learned and heard about them?
And...who's changed their minds? |
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