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| money_penny |
| Flip Spiceland does the weather in Atlanta |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by money_penny
Flip Spiceland does the weather in Atlanta |
wtf kinda name is that! i hate them! |
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| _Nut_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
so im watching the local news which i havent in sooo long cuase i really dont care what happens crime wise and scandels in atlanta.
wtf local weather Meteorologists have the biggest bull jobs evar. its like omg, right now he is like "ya its gonna rain but maybe it wont so watch out!" im like ahhhh wtf? and then he starts showing xmas lights pics ... wtf USELESS ihope these poeple arent making more than 30k a year!!!!
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specialy one training to be in the local news doin the weather! useless.. the weather poeple in the weather chanel or cnn are the only ones that should be banking all that cash |
So here is the lay down. 90% of the on air personalities are NOT yes..
hold on.. maybe this will get the point across
Are NOT!!!!
Actual meteorologists. They are journalists or people with 'certification in meteorology' Let me describe both cases:
Journalists - Degree (or lack thereof) in Journalism. Weather background may contain a class here or there in weather 101 (or online equivalent). They know what a surface map is. They know what a cold front looks like (and most of the time what it is). Basically they are what I and many others in my field call 'Weather bunnies' or to simply put... eye candy.
'Certification in meteorology' - The people take online classes and or attend universities such as Miss State. They have a little more training and understand a little more than your average journalist. The one thing they lack is indepth knowledge of the atmospheric process, the mathmatics, physics, microphysics, dynamics and pretty much everything else to what actually drives the weather. They like the weather bunnies are generally paid to look good. TV stations can care less about accuracy. Ratings are the cashcow and what actually drive networks. Would you want to see a meteorologist up there who has a masters in meteorology/atmospheric sciences... or hear about it and look at some young lass who is hotter than hell?
True meteorologists undergo obtain a degree by following set guidelines that are standard across the US:
| quote: | A curriculum leading to a bachelor of science degree in atmospheric science should contain
1) at least 24 semester hours of credit in atmospheric science that includes the following:
• 12 semester hours of lecture and laboratory courses, with calculus as a prerequisite or corequisite, in atmospheric thermodynamics and dynamic, synoptic, and mesoscale meteorology that collectively provide a broad treatment of atmospheric processes at all scales;
• 3 semester hours of atmospheric physics with emphasis on cloud/precipitation physics and solar and terrestrial radiation;
• 3 semester hours of atmospheric measurements, instrumentation, or remote sensing, including both lecture and laboratory components; and
• 3 total semester hours in one or more of the following:
• a course in some aspect of applied meteorology such as air pollution meteorology, aviation meteorology, agricultural meteorology, hydrology or hydrometeorology, weather forecasting techniques, or applied climatology;
• an internship focused on a career in atmospheric science or a closely related field;
• an undergraduate research project.
• an additional 3 semesters hours in atmospheric science electives;
2) mathematics, including calculus 1-2-3 and ordinary differential equations, in courses designed for majors in either mathematics, physical science, or engineering;
3) a one-year sequence in physics lecture and laboratory courses, with calculus as a prerequisite or corequisite;
4) a course in chemistry appropriate for physical science majors;
5) a course in computer science appropriate for physical science majors;
6) a course in statistics appropriate for physical science majors;
7) a course in technical, scientific, or professional writing; and
8) a course with a primary focus of developing students' oral communications skills.
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And as others have eluded to... all most on air personalities do is regurgitate script with a few catch phrases.
CNN is pretty good with the majoirty of their 'staff' being degreed meteorologists. The weather channel on the other hand... what you see on air .... they are NOT meteorologists. But there are a dozen or so behind the scenes that do give the forecasts and tell people the correct thing.
As for the pay scale. Broadcast meteorology--television and radio weathercasting--although offering high profile positions, does not necessarily offer commensurate salary profiles. Annual pay for a weathercaster just beginning his or her career at a small-market station is in the low to mid-20s. Overall, salaries in the field cover an enormous range. A 1992 American Meteorological Society survey indicated the average salary for weathercasters who were AMS members was about $46,000. The survey also found the top 10 percent in the field raked in over $100,000 per year. Keep in mind, though, that the big six-figure salaries are confined to the top 10 or 20 television markets in the country (as defined by the population of the viewing area). There certainly are opportunities in the field, since only about 10% of the 2000-some broadcast weather jobs are held by degreed meteorologists.
I would go on in detail more but this is getting ing long.
If you want accurate forecasts goto the following:
http://www.weather.gov/
No one working for the National Weather Service is below a degree in meteorology. Most are masters or PhD. |
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| tubularbills |
there's really a lot more science that goes into being a meteorologist. unfortauntely, all everyone ever really sees are the ones on tv , and chances are they are just a TV-Weatherman, not a real meteorologist.
no, making a forcast is not as simple, sometimes, as just flipping a coin, or looking at what a computer would spit out. and computer's don't just spit out these magical forecasts that say, "tomorrow it will rain here and snow there...." it's all just imagery [with some MOS/FOUS data] that needs to be interpolated by human beings.
could you make a forecast if i showed you a map of 500mb voriticty and pressure falls? doubtful. and it's unfortunte that there are some TV chumps out there that couldn't do the same.
the real meteorologists [in most cases] are the ones behind the cameras who are making the real decisions.
and to get a true meteorology degree, would you believe we have to take calculus up to level 4? and calculus based atmospheric physics? |
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| spc |
edit: oh boy i didnt know the picture was that GINORMOUS it looks like al roker is going to eat us all |
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| _Nut_ |
And for those of you that are questioning my credentials:
Done:
Degree in Meteorology - Northern Illinois University
Currently:
Faculty/Staff of the University of Illinois and of the Midwestern Climate Center as an assistant supportive scientist
Also currently working towards a masters in the atmospheric sciences and geography.
Why no TV? Piss poor job market and I want to remain out of the pigeon hole that people associate with TV folk. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Nut_
So here is the lay down. 90% of the on air personalities are NOT yes..
hold on.. maybe this will get the point across
Are NOT!!!!
Actual meteorologists. They are journalists or people with 'certification in meteorology' Let me describe both cases:
Journalists - Degree (or lack thereof) in Journalism. Weather background may contain a class here or there in weather 101 (or online equivalent). They know what a surface map is. They know what a cold front looks like (and most of the time what it is). Basically they are what I and many others in my field call 'Weather bunnies' or to simply put... eye candy.
'Certification in meteorology' - The people take online classes and or attend universities such as Miss State. They have a little more training and understand a little more than your average journalist. The one thing they lack is indepth knowledge of the atmospheric process, the mathmatics, physics, microphysics, dynamics and pretty much everything else to what actually drives the weather. They like the weather bunnies are generally paid to look good. TV stations can care less about accuracy. Ratings are the cashcow and what actually drive networks. Would you want to see a meteorologist up there who has a masters in meteorology/atmospheric sciences... or hear about it and look at some young lass who is hotter than hell?
True meteorologists undergo obtain a degree by following set guidelines that are standard across the US:
And as others have eluded to... all most on air personalities do is regurgitate script with a few catch phrases.
CNN is pretty good with the majoirty of their 'staff' being degreed meteorologists. The weather channel on the other hand... what you see on air .... they are NOT meteorologists. But there are a dozen or so behind the scenes that do give the forecasts and tell people the correct thing.
As for the pay scale. Broadcast meteorology--television and radio weathercasting--although offering high profile positions, does not necessarily offer commensurate salary profiles. Annual pay for a weathercaster just beginning his or her career at a small-market station is in the low to mid-20s. Overall, salaries in the field cover an enormous range. A 1992 American Meteorological Society survey indicated the average salary for weathercasters who were AMS members was about $46,000. The survey also found the top 10 percent in the field raked in over $100,000 per year. Keep in mind, though, that the big six-figure salaries are confined to the top 10 or 20 television markets in the country (as defined by the population of the viewing area). There certainly are opportunities in the field, since only about 10% of the 2000-some broadcast weather jobs are held by degreed meteorologists.
I would go on in detail more but this is getting ing long.
If you want accurate forecasts goto the following:
http://www.weather.gov/
No one working for the National Weather Service is below a degree in meteorology. Most are masters or PhD. |
ah i knew it. total bs. ing wankers. and like i said in my previous post. the ones in cnn and big channels are the only useful ones. |
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| _Nut_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
ah i knew it. total bs. ing wankers. and like i said in my previous post. the ones in cnn and big channels are the only useful ones. |
Just look into their background. If it says nothing about their school....
they have no degree. Im damn proud of my degree. Every true meteorologist is.
If you see Mississippi state or certified meteorologist...
They are fake. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Nut_
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AMEN! |
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| _Nut_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
AMEN! |
Amen to 500 mb vort maps and 6hr pressure falls!!!
If you get bored check out:
www.filefarmer.com/sshea
Something Im working on ... the online version is old and outdated. The new version will be complete sometime soon. Mouseover madness!!! |
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| igottaknow |
Nut
i enjoyed your "long winded" post. at least it was intelligently writen (unlike most posts here). yeah i know i should talk and its the cor blah blah blah.
i agree its more a reflection of dumbed down tv news than anything else. obviously we greatly benefit from the advancements of meteorology its just enjoyable to poke fun at its inexactness. |
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| _Nut_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Nut
i enjoyed your "long winded" post. at least it was intelligently writen (unlike most posts here). yeah i know i should talk and its the cor blah blah blah.
i agree its more a reflection of dumbed down tv news than anything else. obviously we greatly benefit from the advancements of meteorology its just enjoyable to poke fun of its inexactness. |
I tried to remain as calm and non-hateful as I could. Its just most on air folk tarnish our name and image. And meteorology has come a great distance even in the past few years. Continued accuracy and further improvement will only continue from here on out (unless the santorum bill passes and screws the national weather service... but thats a thread for only meteorologists to care about) |
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