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5 People Shot @ Yonge & Gould (pg. 14)
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| TrickDaddE |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
She's always welcome at my house. :toothless
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And I bet yo' Momma would take real good care of her too? |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrickDaddE
And I bet yo' Momma would take real good care of her too? |
*was hoping his comment would've been missed*
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| TrickDaddE |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
*was hoping his comment would've been missed*
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| zoogla |
Ummm...I meant, I was hoping you wouldn't read my post because I was making inappropriate comments about your girl...
...more sarcasm ;) |
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| TrickDaddE |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
Ummm...I meant, I was hoping you wouldn't read my post because I was making inappropriate comments about your girl...
...more sarcasm ;) |
You are a sarcastic frack...
But I still love you like a brother! |
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| TrinityGirl |
| my thoughts go out to the deceased's family- thats a horrible way to loose a loved one- especially that young |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
... putting the blame solely on music is just another way to shift blame elsewhere to avoid the real problems that we face in society. |
That my friend, is a mouthful and so damn true.
They say the same thing about alcohol in Alcoholics Anonymous (I have a friend in it and I went to see what it's all about); alcohol is not the problem, it's the quick fix to the real problem that lies beneath.
Once the real problem is fixed, all other surrounding problems slowly become resolved as well.
Let's all hope that a real solution is found quickly. |
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| Floorwhore |
'Loving soul' to family, friends
Schoolmates 'devestated' by murder of top student, athlete
Jane Glenn Creba, the 15-year-old Boxing Day gang gunfight victim, was a "bright light" to her family.
And a top athlete, an elite student and a great girl to her teachers, friends and school chums.
In sports, she starred on Riverdale Collegiate's swim, track, cross-country, field hockey and softball teams.
In the classroom, she excelled at most subjects, particularly in the school's enriched English program and the extended French class.
Her life of innocence, joy and promise was destroyed in seconds on Yonge St. early Monday evening when rival street gangs sprayed a hail of bullets into crowds of shoppers on Yonge St., north of Gould St. in an apparent battle over turf.
Jane was pursuing Boxing Day deals with her mom and older sister when a bullet hit her in the torso and killed her.
Six others were wounded in the gunfire.
Sources say Jane left her mom and sister to search for a bathroom only seconds before she was killed outside a Foot Locker store.
'PERFECT CHILD'
"She was an all-round athlete and a really, really good student. You couldn't ask for anything better ... she was like the perfect child," Bert de Vries, a retired Riverdale Collegiate English teacher and sports coach, lamented.
"You cannot imagine a more beautiful, more intelligent and more vigorous child ... she was everybody's ideal daughter," de Vries said.
Jane was the ideal daughter and the "bright light" of devoted parents Toronto architectural consultant Bruce Creba and Virginia Barton.
She also was the "best friend ... and confidante" of elder sister Alison and the "mother hen" protector of her younger brother, Elliot, 11, the devastated family stated in a message released at a Toronto Police media conference yesterday.
"She will be remembered by her teachers and friends as a loving and caring soul with a cheerful open heart," the family said.
Jane and her sister Alison were two of Riverdale's best athletes last year.
Jane, who was in Grade 10, was the top junior girls' swim student, and Alison, 18, was the top senior girls' swimmer and had been nominated for best female athlete.
The pair played together on the school's field hockey team.
Alison, who was a top student with graduating marks in the high 80s, is attending university in the Maritimes and had returned home for the Christmas holidays.
Jane was following in her footsteps.
While Jane had the usual insecurities of teenagers, she had a huge heart.
"I tried to talk her into doing the 1,500 metres last spring" in the Ontario Federation of School Athletics Associations (OFSAA) finals, de Vries recalled.
"She was afraid she couldn't do it ... in the final two laps of that race, she just put her head down and made an amazing finish. She realized she really could do it."
'IT'S DEVASTATING'
Another retired Riverdale teacher, John Fallis, recalled coaching Jane on the girls' softball team. "It's devastating," Fallis said.
Fallis coached both sisters and said they were "lovely, lovely girls."
As full as her academic and athletic plate was, she still found time to play with the school squash team before the swim meets opened.
"She was an all-round, very solid citizen," Fallis said.
Teachers and students say Jane had many friends at Riverdale and will be sorely missed.
"The school is in total shock ... it is extremely difficult for the staff and for the students ... these are Grade 10 girls. They are very sensitive ... many of them are going to be devastated," Fallis said.
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Toro...371893-sun.html |
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| angelgirl |
^^^ I just finished reading this myself. so sad. my heart breaks for her poor family.
on the business side of things.....CNN once again helping Toronto Tourism out. sigh. Beware Toronto, CNN tells viewers
Beware Toronto, CNN tells viewers
Shootout could hurt tourism
`Sends a shiver down your spine'
Dec. 29, 2005. 06:37 AM
RICK WESTHEAD
BUSINESS REPORTER
The cast of CNN's American Morning TV show yesterday issued a warning to viewers: beware of Toronto.
In a segment that aired alongside stories about efforts by U.S. soldiers to help an ill Iraqi toddler and a woman's attempts to file a restraining order against talk-show host David Letterman, CNN anchors discussed Toronto's Boxing Day shootout that killed 15-year-old Jane Creba and left 6 others in hospital.
"The murder rate in Toronto has doubled this year," Miles O'Brien said. "There's a whole, you know, crime spree underway."
Already battered in recent years from after-effects from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, outbreaks of SARS in 2003, and from an increase in the value of the Canadian dollar, which makes it more expensive for foreigners to travel here, Toronto's tourism industry now faces another hurdle: how to reassure prospective visitors the city is safe.
"Toronto's got a big problem on several levels," said Allan Bonner, a crisis management consultant whose clients have included a number of petroleum companies since the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.
"People make instant decisions these days and many would think nothing of saying, `let's not go to Toronto.' They just see the news on TV about the murders here and make the ill-informed decision that the city has some sort of problem."
The flurry of shootings on Yonge St. a day after Christmas that left a teenager dead marked the 52nd firearm-related death in Toronto this year, nearly twice as many as a year ago. The city's homicide toll stands at 78, close to the record 88 murders in 1991.
The Boxing Day shootings remained front-page news yesterday for newspapers in Montreal, Calgary and Saskatoon, and also received coverage in the large-city U.S. papers such as the Miami Herald, the Charlotte Observer and the Chicago Sun-Times.
Bonner said the sentiment that Toronto may be a place to avoid could be heightened among American tourists who "happen to remember SARS, or remember Canada's position on the Iraq war. Now they see that people are shooting each other in Toronto. They wouldn't necessarily think `Oh, but it's still safer than New York or a U.S. city.' They just see that there's a problem."
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`The murder rate in Toronto has doubled this year ... a crime spree is underway.'
Miles O'Brien, CNN news anchor
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In the first quarter of 2005, which is the most recent quarter for which statistics are available, roughly 558,000 Americans travelled to Canada, a slight increase over the 556,000 who came here during the comparable period a year earlier, according to the Toronto Convention and Visitors Association.
There were 160,000 overseas visitors during the first quarter of 2005, up 7 per cent, the city's tourism office reported.
Toronto Tourism spokesperson Andrew Weir said the trade association, which is funded by members including hotels, restaurants and convention centres, will continue to buy ads in newspapers and magazines in New York, Washington and Chicago to promote tourism here.
In 2005, the group expects to spend $2 million (Canadian) on ads in the U.S. after buying no ads in 2004.
"Toronto's still a safe city, and we'll keep marketing it that way," Weir said.
Still, Peter Degraaf, a Bracebridge real estate agent, said Toronto's recent spate of high-profile murders might also deter tourism from nearby satellite communities.
"This stuff sends a shiver down your spine," Degraaf said. "When I was a kid, I remember taking school trips down to Toronto and the highlight was walking Yonge Street. No way a parent is going to let their kid do that now. They're going to be sticking to big-box stores or places with high security."
To be sure, Toronto's tourism challenges would seem to pale next to those faced by cities such as Madrid, London or New York, which were forced to grapple with attracting tourists after major terrorist attacks.
And even those cities managed to post strong tourism-related statistics in the wake of the attacks.
New York, for instance, drew a record 30.2 million domestic tourists in 2002, up 2.2 per cent from the prior year, although the number of international tourists slipped. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Just in case anybody doesn't agree with guns and gun violence not being a problem, I found this last night which pretty much dispells any myths regarding the subject...
(there are many links within this article so you may want to go to the source link)
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Wednesday, December 28, 2005
Bah-nanada
The Drudge Report today linked to this story: USA is exporting its violence to Canada, says Canadian PM...
Lo and behold, Prime Minister Martin must be right, because in 2004 Canada’s rate of violent crime per 100,000 people was 946. That same year, continuing a decline that began in 1994, the US recorded 465 violent crimes per 100,000.
Not only that, but US Homicide rates recently declined to levels last seen in the late 1960s and have been stable since 2000.
While gun ownership is up, US rates of nonfatal firearm crime have declined since 1994, reaching the lowest level ever recorded in 2004.
Violent crime in general has also declined in the US.
Where did all this crime go? To Paul Martin, Prime Minister of a country where the national homicide rate increased 12% in 2004, the answer is obvious – it was exported to Canada. It must be NAFTA, the North American Firearm Trafficking Arrangement.
Toronto Mayor David Miller is facing the fact that gun deaths have doubled in his city since 2004 and won’t be left out of any scapegoating:
"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," he said.
Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.
Hizzoner is apparently unaware of his own police department’s statistics on the supply side of the equation. By October 2005, Toronto police had seized 1,782 guns compared to 2,128 in 2004.
So where’s the increased supply? Even if Miller is right about the source, he looks wrong about an increase.
Actually, he’s also blowing smoke on the source. Nobody knows where these already illegal guns come from and since handguns have been effectively banned in Canada since 1930, it suggests one consider the possibility that what we have here is an enforcement problem.
The Mayor claims that Toronto is awash in guns that the Toronto Police cannot find, but insists that if they were found the guns would have come from the United States.
Where there are solid numbers it shows less than half of the Mayor’s “half” of the guns in question originate in the US. In 2004, the Toronto Police Gun and Gang Task force had the following breakdown on sources of guns:
Toronto Police Service records show that in the period of January 01st to September 9th, 2003 a total of 1468 firearms have been submitted to the Property Evidence Management Unit for a variety of reasons, including evidence, held for investigation, safekeeping and destruction. Of these, 183 have been determined to meet the definition of a crime gun. It is this number, one hundred and eighty-three (183) crime guns, that presents the only opportunity for analysis to determine how many smuggled firearms are actually used in Toronto crime.
The Gang and Gun Task Force have determined that one hundred and thirty-nine (139) of these crime guns fall into the following categories:
- 26 long barrelled firearms
- 11 firearms registered in Canada
- 5 reported as stolen
- 4 firearms were never issued a serial number by manufacturer
- 16 were too old to be traced for ownership
- 32 had their serial numbers obliterated
- 45 are still under investigation
…[Forty-four] (44) of the one hundred and eighty-three (183) crime guns have been submitted for tracing to the United States Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). To date 30 of the 44 submitted guns have been traced to a United States based first retail purchaser. Therefore, assuming that all 44 submitted guns are successfully traced to a United States origin, only 24% of traceable known crime guns, as previously defined, have been smuggled into Canada.
…Overall, the Service seized 2020 firearms during 2003, including the 80 guns seized by Gangs and Guns and Street Violence Task Forces during its 4 months existence. The Gangs and Guns Task Force and the Street Violence Task Force have arrested 353 persons facing 1,017 criminal charges, mostly dealing with firearms and drugs offences. There are 73 street level youth gangs of various descriptions operating in the City, involved in dealing drugs, intimidation, extortion, firearms crimes, and disputes and battles over territorial supremacy whose members are ruthless and predisposed to violence including gun play in very public places without regard for human life. In spite of the impressive success achieved by the Gangs and Guns and Street Violence Task Forces during 2003 gunplay in the City rose by an alarming 35% over the previous year.
During 2003, it became more obvious than ever that the current system of criminal justice is virtually broken and in need of a major overhaul. Be it the inadequate sentencing provisions, the high recidivism rate of violent criminals, the extraordinary labour intensive bureaucratic requirements and processes imposed on police, the unreasonable disclosure demands, the protracted criminal trials, the lax bail and parole provisions, and much more are all factors that compromise the effectiveness of the current criminal justice system.
Sounds more like an enforcement question to Toronto cops, too; as it does to John Lott writing at National Review Online. He discredited the claim that the US is responsible for the Toronto street gangs or the Canadian justice system last August, reminding us that Australia and Britain have also experienced large increases in gun crime since banning firearms.
An American example would be Washington D.C.. The most gun-restrictive city in the United States, it has the highest rate of gun crime.
Finally, I noted in the story about yesterday’s shootings that one of those wounded was a police officer who is banned from carrying his firearm while off-duty. Perhaps if he had had his weapon there’d be one less murder in Toronto this year. Perhaps Mayor Miller should ponder that before he starts mewling.
Update: 5:46PM Bill Strong points out, in a comment at Dust My Broom, that Rudy Giuliani's success (New York’s murder rate plummeted by 70%) in New York didn't come from whining anti-Americanism and also has a good post on this topic.
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