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Airwave Presents: Trilogique (pg. 11)
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| Elevation |
I may be considered a twat, ****, blah, fill in the blank, you name it, but in the end we all share one common interest. The love of music. Meet me or talk to me in person or online I am a very nice person.
One thing i wanted to ask...Why is it when producers come in to a thread and give THEIR opinion they are immedieatly jumped on / hated/ and flamed? thought we were entitled to freedom of speech too.
I'm not telling any of you what to do or say. I'm simply giving my views on the matter.
No hard feelings.
Its just sad to see people wanting to hear familiar sounds in the past when there is so much potential these days to make a completely different sound. |
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| Arksun |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
read the thread again. he actually replied to this thread.
the reason I was dissapointed was that L-vee msged me a couple of months here on TA and gave me loads of hope about this new album. He said it would be something amazing which no one would expect.
And the end result being this? Seems like not even his new won fans are that excited.
I'm not saying that the cd is utter crap. Far form. Of course he put a lot of time and effort on it. it's just that filling 3 cds with quality tunes is a tough task for any producer.
As I said in an earlier post. I hoped for more collaborations with the old bonzai crew: DJ Fire, Franky Jones, Axel Stephenson, Frederico Santini, MIKE etc instead of the Armada crew. I'm sure the album would have had a more interesting aproach if he had done more collabs with the bonzai guys. |
I think one of the reasons why your posts stir up such reactions is because you express your own personal tastes in a way as to say you somehow speak for the people. That you represent the masses.
But you dont, i'm sure other people indeed do share the same taste, like I said before, some prefer the more proggy stuff, some like prog and uplifting, some dont feel the need to make up insulting words like mcprog and keep banging on about it, but at the end of the day your taste is yours. :)
Its always good to hear constructive criticism, even if its very negative. Negative criticism is fine, but presenting yourself as the spokesperson to good taste in general or accusing producers practically of betrayal, thats another. Hate the music sure, but respect the human being behind it, doing what they believe in.
I can understand some people are always going to be dissapointed by a shift in style of a producer, but you have to remember they're just evolving in their own way, they're not betraying anyone and there WILL be people that do love the new stuff. We are all different and have very different ideas of what constitutes good music. That is the beauty of music!, it really is in the eye of the beholder, or the ear rather :D . One persons crap is another persons enlightenment. There's no wrong or right in music. And if a favourite producers shifts in a style you don't like, there's thousands of others that can continue catering for your tastes :)
Why people can't just accept things and move on with their lives is puzzling, when you think about the energy and passion from some posters you have to ask yourself, what amazing things could they accomplish if they put that passion to good use!.
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elevation
Its just sad to see people wanting to hear familiar sounds in the past when there is so much potential these days to make a completely different sound. |
I believe many peoples opinions is because of how stale this 'new' sound is (imo its been going on for 2-3 years, even since before your 1st track came out) and seems to be stagnant. |
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| sigmanova |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elevation
I may be considered a twat, ****, blah, fill in the blank, you name it, but in the end we all share one common interest. The love of music. Meet me or talk to me in person or online I am a very nice person.
One thing i wanted to ask...Why is it when producers come in to a thread and give THEIR opinion they are immedieatly jumped on / hated/ and flamed? thought we were entitled to freedom of speech too.
I'm not telling any of you what to do or say. I'm simply giving my views on the matter.
No hard feelings.
Its just sad to see people wanting to hear familiar sounds in the past when there is so much potential these days to make a completely different sound. |
well, L-Vee came in, basically defended his music and also refused to accept any criticism, in other words telling people to piss off if they are going to criticize his work. going back to what Rebel9 said about L-Vee getting his hopes up only to be let down. what's the point of that? of course Airwave put in alot of work into the album, but you can't please everyone.
if you can't accept any criticism then it's probably time to find another career. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| Oh come on, it's not rocket science. They're not criticizing because of a change in style, they're criticizing because they deem the end result to be inferior in terms of quality and creativity. And why should one respect an artist who blatantly has done little else than exploiting the formula du jour? (Not saying that L-Vee has, as I haven't heard the album.) |
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| Elevation |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
I believe many peoples opinions is because of how stale this 'new' sound is (imo its been going on for 2-3 years, even since before your 1st track came out) and seems to be stagnant. |
Im only 19..Started listening REALLY around the year 2002...was a die hard tiesto fan whom introduced me to airwaves productions. (thank you tijs) but now i am not a fan of tiesto any more for obvious reasons. I mean i guess i can see what you mean by stale or whatever but the scene is going through a transitional period and hopefully we will be back UP again...as opposed to this down period. If that made any sense. |
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| DJ RJT |
| Mike this is the most I've EVER seen you post on TA... :p |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elevation
Im only 19..Started listening REALLY around the year 2002...was a die hard tiesto fan whom introduced me to airwaves productions. (thank you tijs) but now i am not a fan of tiesto any more for obvious reasons. I mean i guess i can see what you mean by stale or whatever but the scene is going through a transitional period and hopefully we will be back UP again...as opposed to this down period. If that made any sense. |
how many years of transition are needed ffs...
You dont like Tiesto now for obvious reasons
Maybe we don't like mcprog now for obvious reasons too. |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
you know what's so comforting here. The fact that all these people who're sticking up for you, I'd bet that a good 80% of them have downloaded the album with absolutely no intentions of purchasing. This 'new' wave of people don't all buy cd's, and cause labels to go down the ter, and with your attitude to those who HAVE brought your cds, vinyls etc in the past, maybe Karma will come around and you'll be back doing whatever it was you sucked at doing before you became a producer. Cleanup in Aisle one! |
spot on mate - i was thinking along the same lines.
i'm also a longtime fan of l-vee who ranks him among my fav. edm producers of all time like lieb, vdm, mwnn.
judging from the samples, the latest album is certainly not bad, but it's also not good enough to warrant 3 discs. whether due to ego, laziness, or cognitive dissonance, a number of artists and producers have been releasing multi-disc works lately when a single disc of quality would've sufficed.
i think if laurent had pared things down and selected only the very best, we'd likely be having a different conversation right now.
also, we knew l-vee was temperamental when the whole ocean d' etoiles thing happened, but i was extremely disappointed in the whole "if you think you can do better why don't you produce" argument. you guys are the professionals; we're the consumers who support you. if you can't take critiques then why are you releasing and selling your productions to us? next time you cook up some tracks, simply distribute them among your friends and you won't have to hear any bitching from the public. |
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| TOR |
i keep wondering why everyone here seems to label the album 'mcprog' whereas only 15%, maybe 20, feauture the typical bells and bleeps. as far as i can tell by the samples, there's plenty of interesting stuff on it.
it's impossible to have three discs filled with nothing but quality tracks, but i have the impression that we've become a bit too spoiled now that we have access to so much music through the internet.. a few years ago, this album would have been considered brilliant. correct me if i'm wrong. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| Off topic: :stongue: at TOR's sig |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
spot on mate - i was thinking along the same lines.
i'm also a longtime fan of l-vee who ranks him among my fav. edm producers of all time like lieb, vdm, mwnn.
judging from the samples, the latest album is certainly not bad, but it's also not good enough to warrant 3 discs. whether due to ego, laziness, or cognitive dissonance, a number of artists and producers have been releasing multi-disc works lately when a single disc of quality would've sufficed.
i think if laurent had pared things down and selected only the very best, we'd likely be having a different conversation right now.
also, we knew l-vee was temperamental when the whole ocean d' etoiles thing happened, but i was extremely disappointed in the whole "if you think you can do better why don't you produce" argument. you guys are the professionals; we're the consumers who support you. if you can't take critiques then why are you releasing and selling your productions to us? next time you cook up some tracks, simply distribute them among your friends and you won't have to hear any bitching from the public. |
Very good reasonings, far more than I could think up when I wrote my post you quoted just after waking up. I'm def not hating on the guy, he's done too many of my favourite tracks for that, it's just, as I think TOR says perfectly, it's too much of 'average' rather than 1 cd of the best. You can stay diverse on 1 cd, Rank1 did that with the Symsonic Album. |
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