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Airwave Presents: Trilogique (pg. 14)
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| Kaveh |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Lolo [...] |
This reply was much more nice to read than your previous one! :) Well expressed. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kaveh
This reply was much more nice to read than your previous one! :) Well expressed. |
Agreed.
Producers need to understand that this is a small community here with a very diverse musical pallette ranging from Tiesto to Hawtin, and that not every album is going to please everyone. They also need to realize this is a public forum where both the educated and uneducated (and crass) can post whatever they please without any real conseuence. It's a double edged sword, because real and genuine constructive criticism on TA can be invaluable to both producers and DJ's, unfortunately you also have to be able to take shots from the peanut gallery in stride and brush them off rather than even dignifying them with a response.
Lolo, you've done great work, and I think you'll continue to do great work, but all producers that I enjoy have, at one point or another, let me down in some respect (i.e. "Tracking Treasure Down" :p). Unfortunately I thought this was just average, but that's more than likely a combination of multiple factors including but not limited to my subtly changing musical tastes. This doesn't however mean that I'll never listen to another Airwave set/Album again, on the contrary, I look forward to what you've got coming up. As stated earlier, this one just didn't trip my trigger, which was I guess a bit more disappointing simply because of how much I have loved your music in the past.
In any event, I hope you continue to post here on TA with the realization that not everyone is going to dig what you're throwing out there, and unfortunately, some of them will not express it with any tact what-so-ever.
Cheers. |
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| Cloud |
| I really like that "80211600" reminds me of Xpander <- that's not good tho. |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jasperovitsj
Sounds quite similar indeed, and not only with the 93 returning mix even but also with the original mix. I wouldn't call it a ripoff, but he was clearly - conciously or unconciously - inspired by Nothing.
But anyway, my thoughts on the album and the thread as a whole, for that matter ;)
So far I've listenend to discs 1 and 2, and I agree with the position that it would have been better if Lolo had picked the best tracks off of discs 1 and 2 and put them together on one disc. And if he had done so, this album would have undoubtably been fantastic! Cause let's face it: these 2 disc feature some amazing and magnificent tunes, worthy of tons of praise! Sunday Break, Terra Firma, Higher & Higher (reminiscent of his older trademark Airwave sound), People Just Don't Care (So much emotion in this track, few producers can pull that off these days), and my absolute favourite so far, Appletonz (Seriously, Lolo should make more prog breaks, cause he's easily up to par with the best producers in the genre!). He could have easily filled 1 disc with a wide variety of killer tunes, that probably wouldn't have triggered the disappointment that some of you here feel. And if I'm honest, I'm a bit disappointed as well. I've also been a big fan of Laurent since I first got into trance around 1997, and together with M.I.K.E. he's always been somewhat of a hero for me, always succeeding in giving me goosebumps and musical satisfaction with nearly every production they delivered. My style has changed over the years, but those 2 guys still managed to capture my attention with their tracks and they kept on giving me the same exctatic feeling when listening to their tracks. And I've also noticed that they've both somewhat changed their style and sounds, and are heading in a different musical direction than the one they used to follow. For M.I.K.E., it's a more techy and dark direction, for Lvee it's a more deep yet fluffy and dreamy direction, away from the heavy bass driven tracks that were so typically his. And I'll be the first one to say that I'm gonna miss tracks like Innerspace, Escape From Nowhere or Save Me. But on the other hand, this cd covers only the Airwave guise. The fact that the Airwave sound has moved on doesn't necessarily mean that he will cease making Planisphere, Meridian or Velvet Girl tracks in the same vein as they used to be.
Because Airwave is sort of the 'main guise' under which Lvee operates and is known to the greater public, he might be trying to get away from that typical sound that has defined the Airwave guise since so many years with this cd. And that's in a way understandable, cause which artist doesn't want to evolve in his music, instead of staying at the same level with the risk of getting uninspired and and too stuck in the usual formula to come up with something fresh?
And the direction in which this artist evolves might not appeal to the fans of his older work (I'm one of those people, sadly enough), but doesn't Lvee have the right to decide for himself which way he feels his music should evolve into? Just to try on how it feels for him, a new direction, a slightly fresh start, breaking out of his boundaries and finding out how the public experiences that? In the end he should produce what HE likes, not what everyone else likes. And of course, the market doesn't work that way, but if a producer stops making what he likes for making what the public likes, his music will eventually suffer, and both the producer and the public will lose...
And there's indeed - unfortunately - too much filler on this album (especially on disc 2 I feel, althought his is of course a matter of taste) for this album to be really praised as outstanding and fantastic. But in this whole process of discussion and argumentation, a lot of you seem to have forgotten that there is also a good side to this album. And I can understand Laurent when he gets upset while reading this thread, as it is quite possible that he only sees people criticising and declaring that this album is a huge disappointment (especially the ones that used to be his biggest fans and supporters. Losing their support means more to a producers than losing the support of floating listeners that listen to whatever is new or cool), as opposed to only very few people that post they like the album he's put blood, sweat and tears into. And that doesn't mean that you shouldn't express your justified disappointment, since everyone is entitled to its own. And I've got to give most of you guys credit for being polite, friendly, eloquent and well-argumented in expressing your criticism, disappointment and negative feelings towards this album. It's a thing rarely seen these days here on TA, and it has prevented this thread from going down the drain after a mere 2 pages, something that seems to be almost the normal development of threads in these sections.
But come on, even if you're disappointed with the album as a whole, that doesn't mean that you can't find some good points about the album that you can stress and bring to his attention, instead of always hammering on the disappointment? :) Laurent should take note of the posted criticism, but wouldn't it be fair to him (being the huge fans you claim to be :)) to give him at least a few positive comments as well, to make him feel his work wasn't a complete waste at all? |
brilliant post.
+1 all the way |
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| Haak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jantjeuh
Airwave vs. Holden.
Decide for yourself. |
i have a hard time believing that's not deliberate. it's not just the melody, it's the beat, the bassline and that reverbed clap too :nervous: |
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| Rodas |
Productions done by aliases such as Planisphere, Airwave, etc. are some of trance's most prolific productions to date within the genre. Throw on complimations such as Magik 5 or any of the older trance mixes featuring tracks by L-vee and his tracks are always among the ones which stick out. So when listeners know that an artist is capable of much more than whats done on a final product such as this one, granted there will definitly be some sort of negativity by many.
It's one thing to be "inspired" by a track and create a template of your own following that, but why completely make a copy? Who knows, but whats done is done. As it sounds I doubt L-vee will really care at all what's said by many of us here, as one would wonder, with the backlash of "Why" why he would again, do another copy of another popular dance production knowing what others would think and then try to pass it off as our own arrogance, yet, I think that's one of the lesser problems of this album.
Disc 1 and Disc 3 sound as if they were done with the idea in mind to be music as heard through other artists better music. Rarely is there anything original in either of the two albums and one would wonder whats the point of the two when one could grab an older mix complimation by Sasha or even a newer cd by Jon Hopkins and hear it done the right way. Hell, even throw on a mix by Markus Schulz and even though it's a genre called so bland by many (re. above), you'd probably hear this "Mc Prog" sound done way better too.
Disc 2 is in L-vee's world. Straight foward, atmospheric trance, which one can note few can rarely pull off well anymore. Cuts like "Airwave - Intrusion" and "Airwave Feat Ozgur Can - Mice" are among the best of all three cd's.
With all that said, between and within these three cd's are tracks that when put together could've actually made a good cd. Hopefully more thought goes this way for the vinyl release.
Rodas |
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| TigerClaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cloud
I really like that "80211600" reminds me of Xpander <- that's not good tho. |
You mean 80211GOD, I believe is a reference to 802.11g, Which happens to be the Wifi signal. |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by TigerClaw
You mean 80211GOD, I believe is a reference to 802.11g, Which happens to be the Wifi signal. |
yeah but with all this technical naming, how soon before we get one of these
www - di.fm
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c:\delete - trance.exe |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
yeah but with all this technical naming, how soon before we get one of these
www - di.fm
or
c:\delete - trance.exe |
when the great year of 2003 arrives? |
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| TigerClaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
yeah but with all this technical naming, how soon before we get one of these
www - di.fm
or
c:\delete - trance.exe |
You forgot Alt+F4 |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by TigerClaw
You forgot Alt+F4 |
nope, i put up theoretical ones which are yet to be chosen, not current/previous projects. |
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| Ian |
i was taking that & altf4 & that other weird hardtrance ftp tune into consideration b4 :p |
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