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Canada rescuing Canadians from Lebanon and all they get are complaints (pg. 13)
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
do you even know what your writing here? of course if your going to rescue someone you gotta give htem some food and water.. its a 14 hour trip.
you should see how people react when they have to wait for the next bus out of wemf.. hahaha |
don't mind her... water and food does not mean Champagne and Caviar |
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| FunkyGroove |
whoa! guys relax
malek stop biting Lisa's head off, since when do you have to punished for having your own opinion? If anything I would be inclined to belieave a smaller newspaper then bias large cities papers
10-15K tourist? where did that come from? guys get ur stats right
also, a fraction of tourists evacuated was very small - most of the Lebanese-Canadian evacuated were working and residing in Lebanon not taking a luxurious vacation
Canadian PM in airlift mission
Harper’s Canadian Forces Airbus and another Canadian-chartered passenger jet took off from Larnaca last night with a combined 250 people aboard in the first airlift Ottawa has been able to muster since Israeli bombs began to rain down on Lebanon 10 days ago.
Officials said Harper’s jet would touch down in the Canadian capital, while the other aircraft would head for Montreal where it’s believed most of the passengers reside.
The flights would appear to salvage some pride for the Canadian Premier who had staked his reputation on bringing back home the first of an estimated 50,000 Canadians – the most of any country - out of Lebanon.
Critics
It would also assuage critics charging his flight was little more than a publicity stunt to gloss over Ottawa’s slow response.
So determined was Harper not to return Canada empty-handed, he stayed in his Airbus - parked on the Larnaca airport tarmac - for more than 20 hours.
"For the prime minister it’s more important getting the Canadians back than his own comfort," Harper’s spokesman told reporters at Larnaca airport.
"He is going to stick it out until the Canadians come home."
According to one Canadian official, Harper did not go without some compulsory creature comforts such as air -conditioning and decent catering to help pass the time with his wife Laureen in the confines of the Airbus.
He did manage to get some sleep in a specially-designed sleeping compartment that his press secretary implied left much to be desired.
Soon after touch-down, Harper was greeted aboard the plane by Foreign Minister George Lillikas and Canada’s Honourary Consul in Cyprus Eleni Chrysostomides – his only contact with Cypriots.
"It’s more than a symbolic trip," Harper told reporters in Paris to explain his Cyprus detour as he headed home following a G-8 meeting in Russia’s St. Petersburg.
"There’s a need for air support in Cyprus…We believe it’s the right thing to do and that’s why we are going to do it," he said.
Harper opted to dispatch his aircraft with himself and a small security detail aboard, instead of sending it to Larnaca emply to make room for even more passengers.
Yet Harper persevered through it all and brought home the 250 who were among the first batch of 261 Canadians Ottawa managed to ship out of war-torn Beirut aboard the cruising yacht Blue Dawn.
Sixteen Canadians managed to get out of Beirut on Monday aboard an Italian destroyer, thanks to their association with Italy.
Disappointed
One Italian-Canadian mother of two privately told a Canadian Foreign Affairs official on the Larnaca’s wharf of her "disappointment" at the way Canada’s diplomatic mission in Beirut let them down at their time of need, referring them to voice-mails instead of real assistance.
Despite several false starts and chaotic scenes at Beirut port, the Blue Dawn docked at Larnaca port at around 1:30pm on Thursday – a delay of five hours from when it was originally scheduled to arrive.
The long sail to Cyprus was far from pleasant for some gripped by seasickness.
Passengers were transferred by coach to the Panorio Wedding Reception Hall near Livadhia were they were to be processed.
"We prepared a passenger manifest, just paperwork," said spokesman Richard Belliveau.
Yet what can only be ascribed to Canadian inexperience at organising such a massive and complex logistical operation can explain what eyewitnesses described as scenes of chaos in the reception hall.
One observer said some people were "extremely angry" but most were circumspect, pleased under the circumstances to be going home. Three people suffering from undisclosed ailments had to be rushed to hospital for treatment.
Belliveau played that down, attributing the frayed nerves brought on by travel fatigue.
"Everybody’s calm, there are no expressions of anger, it’s a wonderful group…remember, these people have gone through an awful lot," said Belliveau.
The nagging question is why Canada - with its considerable resources - begins mounting an evacuation nearly a week after tiny Cyprus started getting its people home.
Proximity and local knowledge may be a crucial advantage, but Canadian officials on the ground since Monday appeared to have gotten off to a sluggish start.
Canada has leased seven vessels to ferry thousands of Canadians out of Lebanon in an operation estimated to last two weeks.
Most Canadians would be shipped out through Mersin, Turkey – not Cyprus. Canadian officials refused to disclose either the name of the vessels or under which country they are registered, citing security reasons.
However, Cypriot shipping company Louis put out a statement saying Canada had chartered two of its cruise ships – the Serenade and Princesa Marissa to ferry Canadians out of Lebanon this weekend.
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by LOT2005
I agree ... and if you watch the news, its not even IN tourists...its Lebaneze people who imigrated to Canada, took their citezenships and than went back to Lebanon..... Canada is doing a nice thing... |
a couple of things to point out here (I could have picked any number of posts to make my points but this one won).....
a) Where these people were born and where they currently reside is inconsequential. What matters is that they are CANADIAN CITIZENS. As I stated earlier, we only have one class of citizen so all must be treated the same. IF CITIZENSHIP IS TO MEAN ANYTHING WE CANNOT QUALIFY IT, A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME LEGAL STANDING. Being as we are a society based on the rule of law there is no negotiating this point. You may be pissed that on ocassion we get taken advantage of by people who become citizens for personal gain but I'll gladly accept that over abandoning the rule of law.
b) Let's be very clear on this.... CANADA IS NOT DOING THESE PEOPLE A FAVOR.... We are not doing a nice thing, we are living up to our duty to our citizens. You may recall the Charter of Rights guarentees a Right to Security of the Person (to all Canadians... not just residents). In order satisfy this section of the Charter the State must take all reasonable and prudent measures to protect the lives of Canadian citizens. What's reasonable and prudent is debatable but I would hazard to guess most courts would find it unreasonable for the government to simply abandon these people. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
do you even know what your writing here? of course if your going to rescue someone you gotta give htem some food and water.. its a 14 hour trip.
you should see how people react when they have to wait for the next bus out of wemf.. hahaha |
Okay maybe you should start with the first post and read what I actually said to begin with...not ONCE did I mention A ing THING about people recieving food and water until head brought it up and defended that people should recieve it and shouldn't be bitched at about comlaining if they didn't get it.
Then when he DID try to tell me I was being unreasonable for saying they should be allowed to complain, I brought up the VALID point that I never even mentioned that. If people are offered food and water, GREAT! That's very kind of WHOEVER offered it to them. I was simply arguing that THE GUY WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT GETTING A LUXURY CRUISE SHIP SENT DOWN TO SAVE HIM was being a bi of a douche in making such demands.
So maybe you should start reading what I actually road before you start making your opinions.
And Kristina...don't worry about malek. I'm not even bothering with his posts any more b/c you're not going to get through to an who's head is that big. Have your opinion, and if it's not right...at least know it's better than his just b/c you're not a cocky that thinks they're always right just b/c they live in Montreal. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
don't mind her... water and food does not mean Champagne and Caviar |
go yourself |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
go yourself |
Damn. Srsly, you should let it go, expressing outrage will only encourage him. |
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| sticky_shoes |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyGroove
Canadian PM in airlift mission
Harper’s Canadian Forces Airbus and another Canadian-chartered passenger jet took off from Larnaca last night with a combined 250 people aboard in the first airlift Ottawa has been able to muster since Israeli bombs began to rain down on Lebanon 10 days ago.
Officials said Harper’s jet would touch down in the Canadian capital, while the other aircraft would head for Montreal where it’s believed most of the passengers reside.
The flights would appear to salvage some pride for the Canadian Premier who had staked his reputation on bringing back home the first of an estimated 50,000 Canadians – the most of any country - out of Lebanon.
Critics
It would also assuage critics charging his flight was little more than a publicity stunt to gloss over Ottawa’s slow response.
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Still convinced that Harper's trip to save the Canadians was ALSO intended to be a publicity stunt...:whip:
"Staked his reputation..." for being Pres. Bush's best friend...
Oh come on, as if his reputation could get any more tainted...
| quote: | | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Have your opinion, and if it's not right...at least know it's better than his just b/c you're not a cocky that thinks they're always right just b/c they live in Montreal. |
:haha: ...but not all from Montreal are like him...:p...thank goodness!!
Yeah, personally, I'm not feeling the way he's addressing his arguments and at the same time making these attacks towards you, Lisa. It just makes his arguments 10 times weaker...
Don't waste your time and energy on the dude... |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by sticky_shoes
Yeah, personally, I'm not feeling the way he's addressing his arguments and at the same time making these attacks towards you, Lisa. It just makes his arguments 10 times weaker...
Don't waste your time and energy on the dude... |
Thanks hun. And don't worry...I'm not wasting my time anymore. I have actual issues such as work, an exam and a pool party later to deal with then trying to defend myself over something I never said.
Ciao :) |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
a couple of things to point out here (I could have picked any number of posts to make my points but this one won).....
a) Where these people were born and where they currently reside is inconsequential. What matters is that they are CANADIAN CITIZENS. As I stated earlier, we only have one class of citizen so all must be treated the same. IF CITIZENSHIP IS TO MEAN ANYTHING WE CANNOT QUALIFY IT, A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME LEGAL STANDING. Being as we are a society based on the rule of law there is no negotiating this point. You may be pissed that on ocassion we get taken advantage of by people who become citizens for personal gain but I'll gladly accept that over abandoning the rule of law.
b) Let's be very clear on this.... CANADA IS NOT DOING THESE PEOPLE A FAVOR.... We are not doing a nice thing, we are living up to our duty to our citizens. You may recall the Charter of Rights guarentees a Right to Security of the Person (to all Canadians... not just residents). In order satisfy this section of the Charter the State must take all reasonable and prudent measures to protect the lives of Canadian citizens. What's reasonable and prudent is debatable but I would hazard to guess most courts would find it unreasonable for the government to simply abandon these people. |
thankyou for saying what I was trying to say in the beginning of the thread.
that ends my argument with jay |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
a couple of things to point out here (I could have picked any number of posts to make my points but this one won).....
a) Where these people were born and where they currently reside is inconsequential. What matters is that they are CANADIAN CITIZENS. As I stated earlier, we only have one class of citizen so all must be treated the same. IF CITIZENSHIP IS TO MEAN ANYTHING WE CANNOT QUALIFY IT, A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME LEGAL STANDING. Being as we are a society based on the rule of law there is no negotiating this point. You may be pissed that on ocassion we get taken advantage of by people who become citizens for personal gain but I'll gladly accept that over abandoning the rule of law.
b) Let's be very clear on this.... CANADA IS NOT DOING THESE PEOPLE A FAVOR.... We are not doing a nice thing, we are living up to our duty to our citizens. You may recall the Charter of Rights guarentees a Right to Security of the Person (to all Canadians... not just residents). In order satisfy this section of the Charter the State must take all reasonable and prudent measures to protect the lives of Canadian citizens. What's reasonable and prudent is debatable but I would hazard to guess most courts would find it unreasonable for the government to simply abandon these people. |
It's refreshing to hear an intelligent voice attempt to inject some much needed sensibility into what has so far been, a disappointing (and at times, bordering on childish) approach to a discussion. |
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
And Kristina...don't worry about malek. I'm not even bothering with his posts any more b/c you're not going to get through to an who's head is that big. Have your opinion, and if it's not right...at least know it's better than his just b/c you're not a cocky that thinks they're always right just b/c they live in Montreal. |
yeah for sure
I just felt that he was being overly rude for no reason whatsoever, all this namecalling was getting way to personal for a person who probably never even seen you in real life, just freaking disrespectful
| quote: | Originally posted by sticky_shoes
Still convinced that Harper's trip to save the Canadians was ALSO intended to be a publicity stunt...:whip:
"Staked his reputation..." for being Pres. Bush's best friend...
Oh come on, as if his reputation could get any more tainted... |
100%, that's why I quoted the article! it's obviously a stunt, a poorly hidded one that is |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
You forgot that most of the "Canadians" in lebanon are actually dual citizens that no longer live in canada. They are in fact lebanese who are now using the canadian passport for convenience. The government should evacuate canadian RESIDENTS only. The dual citizens who are non residents are actually residents of lebanon and should not be entitled to FREE PASSAGE.
Do people get whine pills issued with their canadian passports? Just wondering. |
To add to that, it's not even Canada's responsibility to evauate them!
Because most of them are dual-passport wielding Lebanese, it's actually the Lebanese government's responsibility to evacuate them according to Federal Canadian law.
Morally we just couldn't let that happen so anything that we did, they should be grateful for. Count on the MSM (Main-Stream-Media) to pick up on the whiners... :rolleyes: |
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