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Canada rescuing Canadians from Lebanon and all they get are complaints (pg. 16)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
However, its absolutely clear that canada DID NOT have to do a thing. It was not obligated to do so but did anyways.
Lesson learned: next time do nothing and face the same critism as actually trying to help. |
I'm not so sure it is "clear" that Canada did not have an obligation to dual citizens.... we may state that but unless it's been tested (ie. Canadian court decision) I'd say it's still a question. Given our courts sympathetic interpretation of the Charter I'd suggest it is likely the SCC would hold Canada does have an obligation, however, I conceed this is untested therefore unknown (to my knowledge.... if anyone knows of a case please hook a brotha up with the citation).
I'd say the lesson to be learned is that it doesn't matter what one does, in a country as divided on partisan lines as Canada presently is there will be a strong side praising your actions and a strong side opposing them.... the key to political success is to guage which side will be stronger on each issue.... the key to actual success is ignoring the partisan divides and doing what is right and best for the nation. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Then when he DID try to tell me I was being unreasonable for saying they should be allowed to complain, I brought up the VALID point that I never even mentioned that. If people are offered food and water, GREAT! That's very kind of WHOEVER offered it to them. I was simply arguing that THE GUY WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT GETTING A LUXURY CRUISE SHIP SENT DOWN TO SAVE HIM was being a bi of a douche in making such demands. |
so that now makes it justifiable if people complain to not give them food or water when someone makes a rebutal to your argument.
WOW HE COMPLAINED ABOUT GETTING A CRUISE SHIP SENT TO SAVE HIM LETS LET HIM DIE AND STARVE. You posting in caplocks is convincing me even more that your point is justifiable. Try posting when your not having pms maybe you'll make some more sense. :rolleyes:
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So maybe you should start reading what I actually road before you start making your opinions.
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I think my opinions are justifiable. Id like to see how you would react on a ship for 14 hours without water. Judging by your posts youd probably eat someones head. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Judging by your posts youd probably eat someones head. |
or call her bf to get her some water:stongue: |
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| malek |
| quote: | | Renée is visiting an archeological site near Lima, Peru, when a civil war breaks out. She calls the Canadian Embassy in Lima to find out if they can help her leave the country. A consular official tells her that they can assist her but that she will have to sign a document stating she will repay the costs of her evacuation. That night, she and other Canadians gather at a hotel. They are then escorted to a military airport and flown to Ecuador, the nearest safe location. They are all informed that the Embassy does not pay for any costs associated with their evacuation to Ecuador |
Jay, does that apply to countries on the "instable and at war" list posted on the foreign affairs website? or does it applies to any country.
Lebanon was labeled as safe and stable by the foreign affairs.
Its understandable if said country is at war or unstable, and then a Canadian decides to go there anyways. It would be at his own risk, that includes getting out of there. |
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
or call her bf to get her some water:stongue: |
or maybe u stfu. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
the key to actual success is ignoring the partisan divides and doing what is right and best for the nation. |
Exactly what the government did (good on them) but that doesn't mean we can't bitch at the bitchers :crazy:
I guess we shouldn't be surprised, it's the media's job to blow things out of proportion to sell their warez...however it does irk us. ;)
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I'm not so sure it is "clear" that Canada did not have an obligation to dual citizens.... we may state that but unless it's been tested (ie. Canadian court decision) I'd say it's still a question. Given our courts sympathetic interpretation of the Charter I'd suggest it is likely the SCC would hold Canada does have an obligation, however, I conceed this is untested therefore unknown (to my knowledge.... if anyone knows of a case please hook a brotha up with the citation).
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That would be interesting however about as likely as finding a perpetual motion machine; Canadians have too big a heart for that to ever happen. Ever. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
That would be interesting however about as likely as finding a perpetual motion machine; Canadians have too big a heart for that to ever happen. Ever. |
I'd like to believe that is true, however, I don't think it's inconceivable.... especially given the general lack of understanding of the rights of citizenship and the questioning of whether or not one citizen is more valuable then another that has been exibited in this very thread. Given time for such sentiment to grow I don't think it's inconceivable at all. |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'm proud of our government for taking care of our citizens; I'm angered at a) the ones that feel some sense of entitlement and b) the MSM's decision to high-light the wankers to try and undermine the government's good faith. |
agreed |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Exactly what the government did (good on them) but that doesn't mean we can't bitch at the bitchers :crazy:
I guess we shouldn't be surprised, it's the media's job to blow things out of proportion to sell their warez...however it does irk us. ;)
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| raveed |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
said this before and I'll say it again:
Canadians are an ungrateful bunch who do nothing more than bitch and moan about whatever they can. |
Its not just the canadians who do this. People all over the globe bitch about their own country and how this is wrong and that is wrong. I hear a lot of talk about the government ing things up but if you ever stop and look at the wrongdoings of the citizens it will make you wonder if we are leaving the government with no choice (obviously im talking about countries that have democratic governments in place)
Face it we like to have our cake and eat it to and quite frankly it doesnt work that way. On a smaller scale than the matter at hand, people back home in India are always complaining about how bad the litter on the streets is and the government does nothing to clean it up and our president wrote a beautiful letter openly telling the people that you guys litter shamlessly when you are in India but when you go vacation in another country, you are as clean as anybody else.
My point is that we take our home countries for granted. Sometimes people are inclined to look down upon their country because you can't take a vacation in it. You go to other countries to get away from yours and think that its the best place in the world. Its like a kid who is fed up of his parents and leaves the house to go fend for himself and when he gets into , its usually the parents who reach out in his support and have to clean up his as is happening here.
Even if Lebanon was not on the list of countries declared unsafe for travel, there was always a fair amount of tension there which should have been enough for people to use their common sense and avoid travelling. You cant always depend upon the government to decide for you whats safe and whats not. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by raveed
Even if Lebanon was not on the list of countries declared unsafe for travel, there was always a fair amount of tension there which should have been enough for people to use their common sense and avoid travelling. You cant always depend upon the government to decide for you whats safe and whats not. |
I hear ya man, but think of this, no war there for the last 15 years.
Your brother has now kids who grew up, your mom is ill and dying, your cousin is marrying, your fiance is still there, etc etc. There's soo many reasons to visit your home country. Its not like they're going to Cuba and if Cuba isn't good enough you can switch to mexico or dominican. |
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| raveed |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
I hear ya man, but think of this, no war there for the last 15 years.
Your brother has now kids who grew up, your mom is ill and dying, your cousin is marrying, your fiance is still there, etc etc. There's soo many reasons to visit your home country. Its not like they're going to Cuba and if Cuba isn't good enough you can switch to mexico or dominican. |
That is true but then again, thinking with our sentiments never really got us anywhere.
I mean didn't these people leave their loved ones behind in the first place when they came over to canada while the others preferred staying back in their own country? |
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