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Canada rescuing Canadians from Lebanon and all they get are complaints (pg. 3)
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Why? Why should Canada help somebody out if they're getting shot at in another country? That's the country's prerogative, but I feel that we should have absolutely no part in getting these people out. You go to a country that's in the midst of a warzone, you take your chances.
Stupidity. |
please note that some of these people dont go to war zones, war happens, and often you get caught in it.
also, many non resident canadians work abroad for canadian companies, and represent canadian interests, and make other canadians money. an excellent example is mining companies, inco, falconbridge, etc...
these non resident canadians deserve the full protection of the canadian government and equal treatment. this is a constitutional right of being a canadian citizen, which these people are.
again, i am not saying the Gov't HAS to rescue these people, but if they do, they deserve equal treatment. |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The government should evacuate canadian RESIDENTS only. |
i am arguing this point. not wether or not canada should be obligated to evacuate citizens.
and i also agree that if these people dont like their transport, then they can stay in lebanon.
again, i agree with the article, these people should be happy to be alive, and not complain about their transport. |
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| VERTiG0 |
Okay, I can see some employees of companies over there temporarily who are CITIZENS of Canada, but these people with dual citizenship just living there, or people on vacation should be outta luck. They knew what they would potentially be getting into, given the area they chose to take up residence in or visit.
Oh yeah, the best part of the letter was the guy suggesting that they charter a fleet of luxury cruise ships to evacuate them. |
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| Allegory |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Why? Why should Canada help somebody out if they're getting shot at in another country? That's the country's prerogative, but I feel that we should have absolutely no part in getting these people out. You go to a country that's in the midst of a warzone, you take your chances.
Stupidity. |
Yes, but Lebanon hasn't been in a warzone in years. When Karim and others left it was completely peaceful.
No one could have predicted these actions. To say such a thing is completely ignorant. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by simms327
please note that some of these people dont go to war zones, war happens, and often you get caught in it. |
agreed and those would usually be tourists. and i say evacuate them
| quote: | | also, many non resident canadians work abroad for canadian companies, and represent canadian interests, and make other canadians money. an excellent example is mining companies, inco, falconbridge, etc... |
then it should be the companies arranging to get them out. Not the canadian government.
| quote: | | these non resident canadians deserve the full protection of the canadian government and equal treatment. this is a constitutional right of being a canadian citizen, which these people are. |
its NOT a constitutional right for the government to evacuate you out of a war zone. People dont understand that THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WAS UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO EVACUATE ANYONE FROM LEBANON but did so because it was the right thing to do. And they could have charged for it like most countries did. But no, everything is free. And what happens? PEOPLE STILL WHINE AND BITCH! and the media bias shows more than ever in the reporting as well.
| quote: | | again, i am not saying the Gov't HAS to rescue these people, but if they do, they deserve equal treatment. |
no they dont because they are not equal citizens BY THEIR CHOICE. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allegory
Yes, but Lebanon hasn't been in a warzone in years. When Karim and others left it was completely peaceful.
No one could have predicted these actions. To say such a thing is completely ignorant. |
When a country is run by a terrorist organization and is in the middle of a hotbed for military activity, to think that such actions most definitely won't occur is ignorant. |
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| King Luis |
| these are the type of people that i hate....they bitch and moan about something that is being done to aid them and they say it isn't good enough and they want better. they need to learn a lesson and i think keeping them there until they will take any means of transportation to get out of there will show them how grateful they should be and how helpful their country is. |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
People dont understand that THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WAS UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO EVACUATE ANYONE FROM LEBANON but did so because it was the right thing to do. |
and again, i never said that.
I am saying that dual citizens, and non resident canadian (canada passport only) deserve equal treatment under the law.
i have said three times that the gov't has no obligation to evacuate anybody. |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
When a country is run by a terrorist organization and is in the middle of a hotbed for military activity, to think that such actions most definitely won't occur is ignorant. |
and the country is not run by a terrorist organization
lebanon has a legitimate gov't
it has troubles with insurgents like many other countries do. spain, ireland, sri lanka, indonesia, etc. |
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| loconet |
| quote: | Originally posted by adi26
the media stupid enough to print only those stories out. |
I think you have it wrong there. The Media is very smart. They broadcast these stories because they know that these stories will be catered to the same type of Canadians who are complaining in Lebanon, who given recent events seem to be lot of them and influential at times. The same bunch of spoiled whiners who should be picked up from their comfy homes and tossed into the desert in the cross fire to really give them something to complain about. Our society is very ed up in that sense and the media will use any chance they get to milk us for it. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by simms327
you and jay1x then need to argue to have canada's rules on dual citizenship changed, not the equal treatment of all canadian citizens. |
I'm not arguing for the equal treatment of all Canadian citizens OR to change the rules on dual citizenship. I'm arguing that these Canadians who are in Lebanon and being resuced for FREE by Canada should shut the up and be happy that they're being saved period. If they complain about the conditions, leave them there.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
im just sitting back and waiting for the inevitable accusations of racism that always accompany this sort of discussion when the other side is losing their arguement :) |
People can accuse me of being racist all they want. I know I'm not. My family & multi-cultural (might I add) friends know I'm not. That's all I care about.
| quote: | Originally posted by simms327
i havent said that they are obligated to. but if they gov't chooses to rescue, then they should rescue all CITIZENS.
its not an issue of residency. its an issue of citizenship, and the constitution affords protection to all citizens. The constitution does not differentiate btw residents and non residents.
when you leave canada you stop paying taxes because you stop using the vast majority of services. when you decide to re-enter canada you then start paying taxes on your income, as you are using the services.
again, if you dont like the tax laws, then get canada to change its income tax laws to those of the US, i.e. you are taxed on worldwide income. |
I was asking a question as I didn't know if it was an obligation of Canada to save their citizens.
In addition, yes when you leave Canada you stop paying taxes b/c you stop using the vast majority of services...but why should Canada spend thounds of dollars to send luxurious ships to your rescue when you all of a sudden decide to come back just b/c the country you're living in is at war?
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Oh yeah, the best part of the letter was the guy suggesting that they charter a fleet of luxury cruise ships to evacuate them. |
You didn't add that they did too...free of charge.
| quote: | Originally posted by Allegory
Yes, but Lebanon hasn't been in a warzone in years. When Karim and others left it was completely peaceful.
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Didn't Dima post in another thread that Lebanon has been unsafe for over a year? I'm not positive though.
Also...someone had mentioned to me that when leaving the country - depending on where you go - you are warned that certain places i.e. Lebanon may be unsafe. Is this not true? |
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| chinamon |
| quote: | Originally posted by simms327
i disagree. my father is a non resident canadian, but only holds one passport, canadian. in the event of trouble where he is living, the canadian government should help him out.
And wether or not you have an additional passport shouldnt matter. If you have a canadian passport, are a canadian citizen, then you have the rights to protection by the canadian government and equal treatment. |
i dont agree with that.
despite the fact that he is your father, does he support the canadian economy by spending his money in canada and pay canadian taxes to entitle him to that treatment?
a lot of these people only hold canadian citizenship to reap the benefits. ie. health care, etc. |
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