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Canada rescuing Canadians from Lebanon and all they get are complaints (pg. 15)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
here's my straight facts:rolleyes: not some estimate from some newspapers (the one you posted).
Here's a daily press release from Quebec govt. All planes with evacuees are landing in Montreal, and the Quebec govt is taking care of those who need it.
There's no english version, but i'll tell you what the numbers mean:
Since Friday morning, 21 planes landed with 4686 evacuees. From that number 905 needed shelter from the red cross, and from that group of 905, 309 were in transit to other provinces.
So we have 596 people asking for shelter because they have no home here, presumably because they moved to Lebanon.
It means, 12.7% of those evacuated were living in Lebanon, the vast majority, I once again repeat were Canadians vacationning there and caught in the crossfire.
from that 50k Canadians, about 15k were vacationning. From that 15k, about 5k evacuated with the Canadian govt, the rest are either still waiting for the next boat or ALREADY EVACUATED BY THEIR OWN MEANS thru dangerous and very expensive routes.
and Lisa don't call someone who knows more than you a big head, i only post in threads were i know enough stuff about, i don't base my opininon on a letter sent by some guy who doesn't even remotly represent the majority.
My words may be harsh toward you, but they come nowhere near the opinions and beliefs you hold against the thousands of canadian citizens stranded abroad and who need any help they can get. You think they should be treated as second class citizens and that in itself is the biggest insult. |
But how many more are staying with relatives or friends and dont need shelter?
Statistics are like the bible....its not what's in it so much as the interpretation. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
of course, and as we read the thread, we realize that this opinion and belief on that retard has spread to all Lebanese stranded and now to every Canadian living abroad in any country with dual loyalties.
great job |
ive always felt that people living abroad do so at their own risk.
And im a frequent traveller! |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
why don't you leave. |
ooh a bold word:p. if I don't will you call your bf again? |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
ooh a bold word:p. if I don't will you call your bf again? |
yes....CAAAALLLLEEE!! |
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| weema |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Canada has no obligation to evacuate ANYONE
taken from the DFAIT website: |
hmm, where does it say Canada has no obligation to evacuate its citizens? That paragraph you posted only talks about the known issues of dual citizenship in some countries. Other countries may no recognize you as Canadian but what does it have to do with Canada having obligation or not? |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
But how many more are staying with relatives or friends and dont need shelter?
Statistics are like the bible....its not what's in it so much as the interpretation. |
yes and you are right, and I'm sure it would change the ratios a bit but not in the proportions the medias are "estimating".
Just to give you an idea, the Quebec immigration minister was interviewed yesterday and she was very clear that the overwhelming majority were just vacationning abroad.
I wonder where was the National Post when she gave those informations. |
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
ive always felt that people living abroad do so at their own risk. |
precisely
so what the hell are those tourists thinking going over to a war zone, hm? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by weema
hmm, where does it say Canada has no obligation to evacuate its citizens? That paragraph you posted only talks about the known issues of dual citizenship in some countries. Other countries may no recognize you as Canadian but what does it have to do with Canada having obligation or not? |
It's actually mentioned in the article I posted a few threads back regarding the, "Holiday Inn Canadians"; worth the read to give some perspective.
Basically the Canadian Federal government was not, by federal law, obligated to evacuate them (it was ultimately the Lebanese government's responsibility); morally and ehtically however, we did what we knew had to be done.
I'm proud of our government for taking care of our citizens; I'm angered at a) the ones that feel some sense of entitlement and b) the MSM's decision to high-light the wankers to try and undermine the government's good faith. |
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| weema |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
It's actually mentioned in the article I posted a few threads back regarding the, "Holiday Inn Canadians"; worth the read to give some perspective.
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Thanks for the info. I understand that may be the case but I was just questioning jayx1's post, i didnt understand how what he posted says that Canada has no obligation. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
which is why we need to stop dual citizenships of convenience. You are either canadian or you arent. People are obviously abusing our kindness.
Canada has no obligation to evacuate ANYONE
Id say those whiners got off pretty lucky. Because it's USUALLY canada's policy to make evacuees PAY for their evacuation. What do you harper bashers have to say now? |
I too have a problem with the whole concept of dual citizenships, however, that does not mean we can disregard the rights of Canadian Citizens who also happen to have another citizenship. Regardless of how we may feel a citizen is a citizen.
Jay, you need to understand that stated policy and legal obligation are not always one in the same. Though the government may state their policy is to demand the other state of citizenship be the priority caretaker that does not allieviate Canada's constitutional responsibilities to it's citizens. Simillarly, just because Foriegn Affairs states that they will seek reimbursement for the costs of safeguarding Canadian citizens doesn't mean they are actually entitled to said compensation. The very fact that the government doesn't actually send invoices out to repatriated Canadians in such instances would suggest to me that the Government knows their policy is inconsistant with their duties. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by weema
Thanks for the info. I understand that may be the case but I was just questioning jayx1's post, i didnt understand how what he posted says that Canada has no obligation. |
the part i posted showed that people who enter a country under another passport become entrants to that country as those citizens. And that this could mean that Canadian citizenship is not recognized. It is also canadian law that canadians travelling on foreign passports become the responisbility of the country who's passport they travelled on.
Id say canada was pretty damned charitable in the Lebonese case. Yet people still whine and bitch and call harper an opportunist. Its pathetic. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I too have a problem with the whole concept of dual citizenships, however, that does not mean we can disregard the rights of Canadian Citizens who also happen to have another citizenship. Regardless of how we may feel a citizen is a citizen.
Jay, you need to understand that stated policy and legal obligation are not always one in the same. Though the government may state their policy is to demand the other state of citizenship be the priority caretaker that does not allieviate Canada's constitutional responsibilities to it's citizens. Simillarly, just because Foriegn Affairs states that they will seek reimbursement for the costs of safeguarding Canadian citizens doesn't mean they are actually entitled to said compensation. The very fact that the government doesn't actually send invoices out to repatriated Canadians in such instances would suggest to me that the Government knows their policy is inconsistant with their duties. |
However, its absolutely clear that canada DID NOT have to do a thing. It was not obligated to do so but did anyways.
Lesson learned: next time do nothing and face the same critism as actually trying to help. |
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