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The Politics of Restaurants (pg. 2)
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| Vivid Boy |
| tippin was supposed to be a gesture of thanks for good service, now its no longer that. its me paying you |
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| Ed G |
An article about tipping.
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/s...ining-9643.html
This article also mentions the idea that tipping is a way for cheap restaurant owners to pay their staff. That just doesn't stand up to logic. If service staff didn't get tipped, the restaurant would have to pay more wages, so it would simply raise the prices. Simple economics. Everybody has to get paid one way or another and the money comes from the customers.
One thing tipping does is give the customer some control over the cost of a meal. Great service means you pay a little more which is a fair deal. Get ty service and you have the option of leaving a small tip, or none at all. You have more control really, and overall service is probably better than if waiters were paid a straight wage.
This has been another unsolicited opinion from Ed G, n00b at large. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed G
An article about tipping.
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/s...ining-9643.html
This article also mentions the idea that tipping is a way for cheap restaurant owners to pay their staff. That just doesn't stand up to logic. If service staff didn't get tipped, the restaurant would have to pay more wages, so it would simply raise the prices. Simple economics. Everybody has to get paid one way or another and the money comes from the customers.
One thing tipping does is give the customer some control over the cost of a meal. Great service means you pay a little more which is a fair deal. Get ty service and you have the option of leaving a small tip, or none at all. You have more control really, and overall service is probably better than if waiters were paid a straight wage.
This has been another unsolicited opinion from Ed G, n00b at large. |
ur looking at it wrong. how do u know the food has always been the same cost ratio, and employers just figured out a way to cut back on costs?
would u lower the price of your food after? no, why would u? |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
i've always seen tipping as a huge scam. i mean i know u guys make like 7$ an hour but u only get paid that much cause of tips! its not my job to pay your wages, its your bossess job to pay you well enough to live. I pay your bossyourr boss pays you. to me tipping is just something employers use to their advantage for cheap labour, and to cancel out the middle man (him) from paying you respectful rates. its bull for the consumer |
Remember what happened to that guy at 107 who told the bartender off and threw the change at him. That could be you next Eric...a bloody, pulp mess of an just because you wanted to save a buck. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed G
An article about tipping.
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/s...ining-9643.html
This article also mentions the idea that tipping is a way for cheap restaurant owners to pay their staff. That just doesn't stand up to logic. If service staff didn't get tipped, the restaurant would have to pay more wages, so it would simply raise the prices. Simple economics. Everybody has to get paid one way or another and the money comes from the customers.
One thing tipping does is give the customer some control over the cost of a meal. Great service means you pay a little more which is a fair deal. Get ty service and you have the option of leaving a small tip, or none at all. You have more control really, and overall service is probably better than if waiters were paid a straight wage.
This has been another unsolicited opinion from Ed G, n00b at large. |
And technically your both arguing the same point, employeers are always looking to makes the price of the meal cheaper for them, so that costs are better. Tipping is another way they can continue to keep paying waiting staff minimum wage so that customers pay the wages of the servers out of their own pocket. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Remember what happened to that guy at 107 who told the bartender off and threw the change at him. That could be you next Eric...a bloody, pulp mess of an just because you wanted to save a buck. |
whoa whoa whoa, marcos, i tip. i will always tip because they get padi ty, however what im saying is, that the employers are bing the **** bags in all of this. theyre the ones to blame. |
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| Ed G |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
ur looking at it wrong. how do u know the food has always been the same cost ratio, and employers just figured out a way to cut back on costs?
would u lower the price of your food after? no, why would u? |
The percentage of income from tips has gradually increased over many decades. There was never a windfall where restaurants suddenly passed on a significant amount of overhead.
The simple fact is that restaurants aren't wildly profitable businesses. They work on tight margins and would be forced to increase prices if they had to cover more wages. Either that or many would just go out of business. This extra profit you think exists is a myth.
I know this from being involved in many restaurants. I've designed and priced menus, been involved in monitoring both food and labor costs, and taken several college level courses in restaurant management.
What do you got? |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed G
The percentage of income from tips has gradually increased over many decades. There was never a windfall where restaurants suddenly passed on a significant amount of overhead.
The simple fact is that restaurants aren't wildly profitable businesses. They work on tight margins and would be forced to increase prices if they had to cover more wages. Either that or many would just go out of business. This extra profit you think exists is a myth.
I know this from being involved in many restaurants. I've designed and priced menus, been involved in monitoring both food and labor costs, and taken several college level courses in restaurant management.
What do you got? |
a big appetite and a pocket full of loonies? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| i agree with vivid. tipping as a matter of course is bull. its not my job to subsidise the profit margins of business. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
a big appetite and a pocket full of loonies? |
even i got that :o |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed G
The percentage of income from tips has gradually increased over many decades. There was never a windfall where restaurants suddenly passed on a significant amount of overhead.
The simple fact is that restaurants aren't wildly profitable businesses. They work on tight margins and would be forced to increase prices if they had to cover more wages. Either that or many would just go out of business. This extra profit you think exists is a myth.
I know this from being involved in many restaurants. I've designed and priced menus, been involved in monitoring both food and labor costs, and taken several college level courses in restaurant management.
What do you got? |
Well if other countries can do it outside North America, then I dont see how you corporate/management bull talk is just as applicable here. |
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| Ed G |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i agree with vivid. tipping as a matter of course is bull. its not my job to subsidise the profit margins of business. |
Who does subsidize the profit margins if not the consumer? |
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