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The Ontario Ban-wagon... where can i get off? (pg. 12)
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
.....but the emotional and mental trauma someone would have to endure due to hitting and possibly killing some idiot could be just as detrimental.. |
feeling bad about hitting someone would be worse than actually being hit? are you serious?
Personally I'd rather feel guilty than be dead. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
I'm normally all for personal freedom, *when the only person at risk is the individual themselves*. when others are potentially impacted, unlimited freedom simply can't exist... |
In principle I agree with you, but "potentially" is too nebulous. There needs to be an actual, demonstrable risk, not just a theoretical one.
If someone can show a strong correlation between cell phone use and pedestrian injuries/deaths, then that would be a reason to restrict cell phones specifically (not "electronic devices") in a form beyond the careless driving laws. Otherwise, we're just pissing in the wind. If we're going to call ourselves a free society then our laws can't be based on mere possibilities. |
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| SniFFleS |
I just think what is the point of having a gun if you're not gonna shoot anyone????
Why have a pitbull if it doesn't attack??
Why have something to distract you while driving if your not gonna run someone over?? |
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| Jayx1 |
| and why have freedom when the government can "protect" you? |
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| Jayx1 |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
---Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
feeling bad about hitting someone would be worse than actually being hit? are you serious?
Personally I'd rather feel guilty than be dead. |
I didn't say it was worse than being dead...obviously the point was lost on you.... |
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| dEsidEL |
Jay's gonna love this one.. since the Toronto Health Board obviously know what's best for you..
And I just love the fact that the new plan also calls for vendors to buy the carts directly from a lone city-approved manufacturer. Because of course, the city knows which manufacturer is best and will only allow you to purchase your cart from them. wow somebody give me some shares in that company.. it sounds almost like Rogers and GSM.
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So much for spicing it up
City set to OK 'Toronto a la Carte' carts for spring
By DON PEAT, SUN MEDIA
Forget about Thai noodles, perogies or frog-leg porridge.
A new street-food pilot project won't be tempting passers-by by with a range of exotic or gourmet fare.
The city's executive committee is expected to chew on a proposal today and spit out a seal of approval for a one-year trial project designed to ensure food vendors offer up more than hot dogs and sausage.
Under the supervision of Toronto Public Health, plans call for the city next spring to deploy up to 15 "Toronto a la Carte" carts that will serve new menu items and allow some existing vendors the option of offering customers different choices. The new vendors will have to pay between $5,000 to $15,000 for locations such as 1 St. Clair Ave. E. and Nathan Phillips Square. Approved existing vendors would have to shell out an extra $1,000.
Originally councillors had talked about introducing spicy Thai noodles, souvlaki, satays, fish and chips, perogies and even frog-leg porridge.
But all that talk turned out to be cheaper than a roadside hot dog.
In fact, the much talked about plan to spice up the city's mobile food options is pretty bland.
'GO BANKRUPT'
Now the most exotic items on the proposed list, approved by the health board last month, are corn on the cob and Tabbouleh salad -- garlic and olive oil mixed with chickpeas, green onions and cucumber -- on pita bread.
Councillor Rob Ford said the city should stay out of the way of vendors and let the market decide what they serve.
"They're going to go bankrupt, these poor vendors," the outspoken Etobicoke councillor warned. "They're sort of handcuffing them.
"I don't think they are going to be able to do well or make any money."
Councillors are being asked to approve $86,000 for the program and the hiring of one temporary employee for the project.
Although councillors had once pondered buying the carts and leasing them to new vendors, the new plan calls for vendors to buy the carts directly from a lone city-approved manufacturer. The price of carts range from $15,400 to $27,800.
Ford called the proposed plan ridiculous and just the start of an attempt to unionize the entire independent street vendor fleet.
"I would just open it up and let them sell anything ... whatever they want to make money on," Ford said. "It's just wasting taxpayers' money and staff's time to do all these reports."
Serving up hot dogs and sausages along Queen St. yesterday, Brian agreed the process was ridiculous.
The vendor, who wouldn't give his last name, said it's been a rough year for outdoor vendors due to a rainy summer and being able to provide healthy options could be a "great thing" to help business.
"People are a lot more health conscious, so give them the option," he said, adding sales of bananas and apples from a food truck went over well.
But he called the proposed new food list inadequate.
"I think they should be getting into a lot more foods, Mexican food would be a hit," Brian said. "If they are willing to do a veggie burger, why not do a regular hamburger, too? People would like it."
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HEALTH BOARD APPROVED MENU
A small group of existing street food vendors and new vendors could be serving up the following food by spring:
- Pre-packaged fruits and vegetables using only vinaigrette dips
- Whole fruits and vegetables, including corn on the cob
- Pre-packaged fruit salad
- Bagels with individual serving containers of butter, margarine, peanut butter or jam
- Pre-packaged nuts and seeds
- Pre-packaged salads containing only vegetables and fruits with all dressings to be pre-packaged and not requiring refrigeration.
- Pre-packaged Tabbouleh salad and pita bread
- Soups
- Pre-cooked veggie burgers
- Coffee and tea
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source:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/toro...359686-sun.html
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| Spam |
Wow, what a joke.
Rob Ford should run for mayor, I'd move to Toronto just to vote for him.
Don't care much about the hand-held electronics ban. I'm still going to talk on my phone and use my iPOD, like ... This is Canada:
A) The cops don't give a and I won't even be charged
B) Even if some cop still on his power-trip from working his first week on the job DOES catch and charge me, the judge will let off.
God bless this country. |
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| Orko |
| Any Toronto councilor that asks for another report, should have feces thrown at them. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
If someone can show a strong correlation between cell phone use and pedestrian injuries/deaths, then that would be a reason to restrict cell phones specifically (not "electronic devices") in a form beyond the careless driving laws. Otherwise, we're just pissing in the wind. If we're going to call ourselves a free society then our laws can't be based on mere possibilities |
Why correlate between phone use and pedestrian injury/deaths? Why not just show evidence of reduced attention, reaction time and judgement, and use those figures to justify the ban. Better to prevent accidents than count them.
This is one ban I am all for. 99% of the time, you don't need to talk on the phone while you drive. It can wait. It's not about whether 'YOU' personally can talk, drive and fold your laundy while teaching a baby seal to balance a ball...it's about the general public. That arguement is akin to people saying they can drive 150Km/h on the 401 'because I can control my car'. Most of the people I see behind the wheel lead me to debate whether they can control a pair of socks in the morning.
Anything that takes your attention away from the task of driving should be an offence. Phone, text, make-up, income taxes...not appropriate while driving. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
Jay's gonna love this one.. since the Toronto Health Board obviously know what's best for you..
And I just love the fact that the new plan also calls for vendors to buy the carts directly from a lone city-approved manufacturer. Because of course, the city knows which manufacturer is best and will only allow you to purchase your cart from them. wow somebody give me some shares in that company.. it sounds almost like Rogers and GSM.
source:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/toro...359686-sun.html
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Honestly, FORCING this is just *so brutal*.
I cant believe theyre wasting money on this kind of BS. What a joke.
Let the vendors/market decide.
They're getting raped by the city on this one. |
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