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The Ontario Ban-wagon... where can i get off? (pg. 6)
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
They should put sensors on the wheel at 3 and 9 so that if you take your hand off the wheel...instant, in the mail, ticket... |
don't be giving them ideas |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
So what? you dont mind having officials root through your garbage to see whats in there with the idea of fining you for any error intentional or not? i think youll feel differently if one day you confuse what can and cannot be recycled and get a fine for it. When the blue box came out it was a government funded voluntary program desigened to reduce waste. Now it's turned into a fine generating money making scheme that is designed to easily turn law abiding citizens into law breakers.
And you dont see a problem with that? |
there are many old Azn mainlanders that rummage through people's trash right now collecting scrap metals and other recyclable materials for profit. This too is illegal but the city has failed to widely enforce it or impose any fines to dissuade the behaviour.
So that being said, problem solved! Just leave your non-separated trash out front for some mainlanders to come scavenge and sort for you before those non-existent city inspectors come by!
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
I'm not sure I agree with the legislation, because a) they won't be able to enforce it, and b) it is too hard to distinguish between distracting and non-distracting actions.
As a pedestrian, I have noticed a huge decrease in the quality of driving in the GTA over the last five years. Drivers just are not looking both right and left anymore when they make a turn. So many times while I am walking, a car will roll out of a parking lot to turn right, the driver only looking left and to their cell phone. Any 'spare chance' drivers get, they take to text or make a call. |
I would say 9 times out of 10 when I get off the streetcar and a car whizzes by despite the doors being open, the driver is on his or her cell phone.
I think it is undeniable that cell phones are a distraction, but if people can't self-enforce, how else can it be changed? (this is an honest question, I really don't know how I feel about the ban myself. Seeing as I am far more often a pedestrian or a cyclist than I am a driver, my gut wants people to stop talking on phones while they are driving but I do see the slippery slope here.) |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
In the meantime i found an article about flipflop mcguinty's comments almost exactly a year ago on this subject |
Politicians flip flop all the time. Your precious Harper promised not to tax income trusts, then he did. Every politician is guilty of recinding a previous promise when they feel necessary. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I think it is undeniable that cell phones are a distraction, but if people can't self-enforce, how else can it be changed? (this is an honest question, I really don't know how I feel about the ban myself. Seeing as I am far more often a pedestrian or a cyclist than I am a driver, my gut wants people to stop talking on phones while they are driving but I do see the slippery slope here.) |
Things would change if police enforce the rules already set out in the HTA. Careless Driving would cover any of the issues with cell phones and such. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
nothing in print that details it as much as what i saw. But im waiting for the newsnet story to come around again so i can try to quote it.
In the meantime i found an article about flipflop mcguinty's comments almost exactly a year ago on this subject |
WOW! huge "flip flop", lol.
it's not like he promised something and then went back on his word.
I fully support a ban on hand held cell phones while driving. I'd argue that the vast majority of drivers can't concentrate on a conversation, watch for pedestrians, other drivers, cyclists, etc...and while driving with one hand.
more times than not, when I'm crossing the street (on a green for me), and someone is turning and sees me at the last minute with a bashful "sorry"...they're on their ing phone.
handsfree or no phone. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
There are studies that proove that electronics are DANGEROUS to have in the car. When you are in the car you should focus on DRIVING. |
There are studies that "prove" just about anything, for certain definitions of "proof". People who don't know where they're going on the road can be incredibly dangerous and create traffic obstructions; having them spend 5 seconds futzing around with a GPS is preferable to having them spend 5 minutes weaving, braking suddenly, and making dozens of unsafe turns and lane changes. Or worse, pulling over to read a Perly Guide and then trying to merge again (or worse still, not pulling over to read it!).
I also think it's a useless argument to say that GPS devices are technically allowed under the legislation. The laws always become broader over time, and simply because they aren't banned now doesn't mean they won't be, or that some police officers/judges wouldn't decide to reinterpret it that way. You say you're aware of the slippery slope but... but... but what? I don't hear any argument there, just a "let's do it anyway to protect my family".
I can think of a much better means of protection: don't drive. Risk is part of life, and every individual has to be aware of the risks he/she is taking and the potential consequences of ignoring them. It is not OK to trample on the rights of others merely to lower (not even eliminate) a particular source of risk.
Why not ban sex to eliminate the transmission of STDs? Sounds like a good idea to me!
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Things would change if police enforce the rules already set out in the HTA. Careless Driving would cover any of the issues with cell phones and such. |
Yes, thank you! Would also cover all the horribly unsafe lane changes and merges, which cause more crashes and pileups than anything else.
Unfortunately we have a process that seems preoccupied with only the low-hanging fruit: speeding. Not that it's never dangerous, but there are other things that are a lot more dangerous. |
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| DigiNut |
Oh and the recycling one is great. Fine people for not contributing to a program that is a net loss economically and environmentally - I guess that's one way to recoup on the mind-boggling inefficiency!
The good thing is, if enough people start getting fined, private collection may become a more attractive option and could potentially lead to deregulation or at least reasonable competition. |
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| polkovnik86 |
| Wait so using any electronical devices is banned while driving while drinking coffee isn't? What kind of stupidity is this? |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by polkovnik86
Wait so using any electronical devices is banned while driving while drinking coffee isn't? What kind of stupidity is this? |
taking a sip of coffee is similar to hitting a button on the radio. it takes a few seconds.
engaging in conversation for an extended period of time (compared to sipping coffee), with one hand on the wheel...not quite the same.
I think a reasonable line can be drawn somewhere between the two. |
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| polkovnik86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
taking a sip of coffee is similar to hitting a button on the radio. it takes a few seconds.
engaging in conversation for an extended period of time (compared to sipping coffee), with one hand on the wheel...not quite the same.
I think a reasonable line can be drawn somewhere between the two. |
yeah but while drinking the coffee you are just as distracted and from time to time you have to tilt your head back to drink it, possibly taking your eyes off the road for a split moment. I don't mind the ban on talking on a cell phone but the whole GPS thing. They should just ban driving because it's dangerous and you can hit things. |
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