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The Ontario Ban-wagon... where can i get off? (pg. 7)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
engaging in conversation for an extended period of time (compared to sipping coffee), with one hand on the wheel...not quite the same. |
Sheesh, you act like we can't multitask. I'll have you know that I can drink coffee, eat a bagel, talk on my cell phone, steer with my right knee, maintain a steady speed, figure out where to go for lunch, AND rear-end a school bus all at the same time.
Seriously though, I don't see the issue with one hand on the steering wheel. I got an earful for that on my G2 exit test but of course he couldn't find anything else to complain about. What about people who drive stick? |
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| Orko |
First of all, the cell phone ban is not actual law, it is proposed legislation.
Also, I have no idea how they plan on differentiating the built in radio/cd player from an mp3 player. I see a lot wasted court dates on this one challenge alone. |
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| jonnystel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I would say 9 times out of 10 when I get off the streetcar and a car whizzes by despite the doors being open, the driver is on his or her cell phone.
I think it is undeniable that cell phones are a distraction, but if people can't self-enforce, how else can it be changed? (this is an honest question, I really don't know how I feel about the ban myself. Seeing as I am far more often a pedestrian or a cyclist than I am a driver, my gut wants people to stop talking on phones while they are driving but I do see the slippery slope here.) |
Wow were agreeing a lot lately |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
First of all, the cell phone ban is not actual law, it is proposed legislation.
Also, I have no idea how they plan on differentiating the built in radio/cd player from an mp3 player. I see a lot wasted court dates on this one challenge alone. |
I see this as more of a scare tactic than anything.
There is no way that they can actually catch someone using an electronic device unless they are stupid. yes, there are people who text with both and at 12 o'clock on the wheel which is visible to everyone.
However I text on my lap and leave my iPod on my lap when i'm driving.
There is no way a cop will be able to see that device on my lap. I could get pulled over for continuously starring at my crotch, but then we have other issues to tackle with lol.
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Why not ban sex to eliminate the transmission of STDs? Sounds like a good idea to me! |
oh I don't know, maybe because people have the means to protect themselves from people with STDs, where you have virtually zero ability to protect yourself from other people's driving habits. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Seriously though, I don't see the issue with one hand on the steering wheel. I got an earful for that on my G2 exit test but of course he couldn't find anything else to complain about. What about people who drive stick? |
Their right hand is still concentrating on the operation of the vehicle, not something totally unrelated. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
oh I don't know, maybe because people have the means to protect themselves from people with STDs, where you have virtually zero ability to protect yourself from other people's driving habits. |
Um?
- Seatbelts
- Airbags
- Crumple zones
- Pre-crash systems
- Energy-absorbing windshields
- Defensive driving (can break this down into several points)
- Etc.
They're not 100% effective. Neither is a rubber. Or if you really want to protect yourself, you have the option to not drive.
Not to mention... as ChemEnhanced already pointed out and I already quoted, we have legitimate driving rules that apply to truly dangerous driving that simply aren't enforced. Banning "electronic devices" wouldn't add any protection even if you ignore the ethical issues; it would only provide the opportunity for yet another cash grab, capitalizing on something that may or may not actually be dangerous, but more importantly, doesn't require any real judgment to enforce.
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Their right hand is still concentrating on the operation of the vehicle, not something totally unrelated. |
Pretty weak. Multitasking is multitasking whether the various sub-tasks are related or not. I can walk and chew (two totally unrelated tasks) at the same time much more easily than I can swallow and chew (related) at the same time. |
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| Al |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
What about people who drive stick? |
who looks at the shifter when changing gear?
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I find that the issues are texting while driving and jotting down notes and phone numbers while driving(not as much for writting stuff down since some can write without looking)
Just talking on the cell is fine and for the love of god, assess the road before any major distraction occurs....as a matter of fact keep your eyes peeled all the time.
This ban is ridiculous, is it me or did they propose to ban the use of GPS too?....now let's see how many accidents occur due to people reading maps while driving in cities...... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Al
who looks at the shifter when changing gear? |
Eh? Who looks at their cup of coffee in the car when they sip it?
I agree about texting while driving though - that's pure bull and I always catch myself hoping for one of them to smash into a tree or something. I don't think we need a special law for it though; if your eyes never meet the road for a full 15 seconds then that classifies as careless driving, EOD.
Actually, texting really doesn't go well with anything. People do it when they're driving, walking, working, talking, whatever, and it always zones them out completely and they never seem to realize it. Every day I watch this crap. I hate it, but I still wouldn't ban it. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
SO WHAT if you have to pull over to answer a call (if you dont have hands free) or to change |
Oh yea, I bet LOTS of ppl driving on the 401 are going to pull over if they get an incoming call (and lets pretend its important bc its abt directions to their location (and yes, lets assume they simply couldnt get this info earlier, despite efforts to)) Right. That's practical. |
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| Jayx1 |
The fines are 500-1000 dollars. As if this isnt about revenue generation. Give me a break.
So what about cops and their cell phones? Or the computers they use that are way more distracting than anything we have. Arent they a danger as well? Should we be avoiding cops when driving to protect our children from possible inattentive police drivers?
How about passengers? Perhaps we should put sound proof barriers up so that passengers cannot talk to the driver? Where does it end? Seriously?
As for the garbage situation they are actually going after the private trash collectors and fining them because the city is losing money. I say scrap the blue box system and hire these guys for free. A lot more would get done for a lot less. But hey, free enterprise, independence, innovation and efficiency are not the ways of the nanny state. |
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| gummybear |
I don't know how people can be so cool with the government trying to regulate everything we do..making laws that are redundant....we already have laws that exist to deal with some of these things...
anyways, here's an interesting article i read a few months back..
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=680439 |
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